Furious liberals demand CNN fire Obama adviser Van Jones for saying Trump 'doesn't get credit' for the 'good things' he has done for the black community

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11 minutes ago, MaleAlpha said:

You really believe in slavery and racism, don't you?

What you claim to be a contribution in "their time" that needs to be celebrated has NEVER been right. Remember, wrong is wrong regardless of when that wrong was done. So are you saying, Adolf Hitler and his henchmen should be celebrated with statues etc. and the Nazi flag flown everywhere? Because by your same argument, over 80% of Germans supported their movement during the time. So does it make it, right. You see where I am going.. Just stop it, man. 

 

Look, I get it. You love trump and support the confederacy etc. It's OK to say so. Trying to justify hate with some really ignorant arguments like you did above is just beneath you, man. I think you know better.

Slavery was never celebrated about this, and the statues and monuments never enslaved anyone. There are plenty of examples of what each of these people did for their country, state, etc. that has nothing to do with slavery. So to suggest there isn't anything to the decision to honor them, or the defamatory caricature that these were just awful people who's contributions were nothing but slavery is a lie and one done for malicious reasons I wouldn't waste time figuring out. And we haven't even touched the motivations of those engaging in these destructive acts that I covered in prior posts. 

 

Your personal conclusions you threw out there about me right off the bat are simply a concoction of extremist views. Attempt the personal judgments all you like, your opinion there is comically wrong and more importantly irrelevant. 

 

 

Edited October 25, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

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2 minutes ago, MaleAlpha said:

And your point is?

Seemed worth mentioning.

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20 minutes ago, MaleAlpha said:

Throughout our conversation, you've been hinting at some obscure "history books", "articles" etc. and have never been able to provide a single credible source to back it. I will believe it when you provide evidence. Outside of that, you have zero substance.

 

maga fans believe everything their premier comrade trump tells them even if it goes contrary to what the actual evidence/science says so I can understand where you're coming from. I'm not gullible though..Just saying. 

 

The credible source is history. If you're from the United States it should be well known what these people did to justify being remembered in that way. Those books cover that along with what they did right. Sometimes the atrocities committed can be portrayed in such a way that fails to emphasize the damage done, but that's not why they are memorialized and it doesn't undo the good things they did or dictate who they were. 

 

This methodology behind destroying statues and monuments isn't done to undo atrocities, it's not doing a single thing at all that's helpful. Which fits your wretched reasoning. You've not described what good their destructive actions do. After over 100 statues and monuments destroyed how much better are things now? All you can do is cast others as racist for not supporting your views (only an idiot would be dumb enough to try and prove to that logic they aren't racist), can't defend the actions happening and describe in what way they're improving anything. Anyone utilizing an ounce of introspective reasoning would see the extremist vitriol in your arguments. That's why your personal judgments have no value. Completely empty handed like the violent virtue signaling you support. 

Edited October 25, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

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2 hours ago, MaleAlpha said:

Ha ha! You seem like a really angry maga fan. Calm down.

 

Bring up your so called history lesson about the confederacy. You have all the time to scour through right wing propaganda sites to make your frail argument...I will wait. You can't support the confederacy and not be racist. It represented slavery and racism. All that other BS people like you try to defend it by is neither here nor there. So declare your stance and be proud of it.

First off, I am not supporting the Confederacy at all, in fact I am trying to give you a history lesson which you probably have never heard before. I have to ask you if you have heard that there were slave owners of all races? Did you know there were slave owners that were Black, Hispanic, Native American, and even White. 

 

Also many of us here in the South are not "supporting traitors" at all, we are supporting our family members that fought in the war. The vast majority of people (at least here in NC) that fought for the Confederacy had no slaves at all and were subsistence farmers eking out a living and getting news from the local probably weekly paper or from faraway Raleigh. Many of these soldiers never really traveled outside of their respective counties. Which solidarity was based more on states than the actual country. They were sold a bad bill of goods from the more affluent politicians about "Northern Aggression". So many people initially volunteered in the beginning of the war but once they saw it for what it was many people skipped out and deserted. During the middle and end of the war the South was resorting to having to use conscripts to fight in the Army. Also you simply couldn't just say "No, I ain't signing up" when you have the Home Guard going around and dragging people out of their homes to fight at the end. 

Also since you live in Oregon and not here in the South then you don't know much about what is going on. The vast majority of the talking points about the statues is that they should either be in cemeteries or museums not in a courtyard. Which is all well and good but that doesn't stop people from going to those cemeteries and vandalizing those statues either. For example in my city there is a statue commemorating the 300 dead soldiers in a cemetery that died at the end of the war, who were more than likely forced to fight. That statue was vandalized even though it is on private not public property. 

Edited October 26, 2020 by Cyberfx1024

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1 hour ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

First off, I am not supporting the Confederacy at all, in fact I am trying to give you a history lesson which you probably have never heard before. I have to ask you if you have heard that there were slave owners of all races? Did you know there were slave owners that were Black, Hispanic, Native American, and even White. 

And even White? 

Do you think the civil war was fought to protect the right of Black men to own slaves?

 

1 hour ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

 

Also many of us here in the South are not "supporting traitors" at all, we are supporting our family members that fought in the war. The vast majority of people (at least here in NC) that fought for the Confederacy had no slaves at all and were subsistence farmers eking out a living and getting news from the local probably weekly paper or from faraway Raleigh. Many of these soldiers never really traveled outside of their respective counties. Which solidarity was based more on states than the actual country. They were sold a bad bill of goods from the more affluent politicians about "Northern Aggression". So many people initially volunteered in the beginning of the war but once they saw it for what it was many people skipped out and deserted. During the middle and end of the war the South was resorting to having to use conscripts to fight in the Army. Also you simply couldn't just say "No, I ain't signing up" when you have the Home Guard going around and dragging people out of their homes to fight at the end. 

Also since you live in Oregon and not here in the South then you don't know much about what is going on.

In the mossy PNW we get get to leave sometime and travel , and we have books, Television and even the internet. We are not all living in "Twilight".  I have relatives in the south "on both sides"

 

1 hour ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

The vast majority of the talking points about the statues is that they should either be in cemeteries or museums not in a courtyard. Which is all well and good but that doesn't stop people from going to those cemeteries and vandalizing those statues either. For example in my city there is a statue commemorating the 300 dead soldiers in a cemetery that died at the end of the war, who were more than likely forced to fight. That statue was vandalized even though it is on private not public property. 

My primary beef is that these confederate statues were erected in the Jim Crow era all over the country and placed in the town center with peaks right after major court decisions or legislative action supporting expanded rights for blacks. 

 

One more point to not intending to pile on, often when the topic of Voting rights, Jim Crow , Lynching, red lining (which is actually still an issue in the mortgage business) we are told , "that's in the past, why are you bringing up stuff that is in the past?"

Move these statues to the battlefield to give them context, as battle memorials, they were not civil leaders.

 

Don't keep them in the town square where black people have the daily reminder that at one point, some of their countrymen fought to keep them oppressed.

 

Let the past be the past.

 

 

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19 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

And even White? 

Do you think the civil war was fought to protect the right of Black men to own slaves?

My primary beef is that these confederate statues were erected in the Jim Crow era all over the country and placed in the town center with peaks right after major court decisions or legislative action supporting expanded rights for blacks. 

The civil war was primarily fought because Rich people wanted to keep their slaves and not have to worry about about a outside entity (DC) dictating what happens in their state.  All the while poor white people were forced to fight and die for the rich... Don't act like I am some dumb ol' hillbilly or redneck that doesn't know the history of where I grew up. I love the history of my state and have studied it extensively. 

Many of the statues were put up during the Jim Crow era. But the statue I am mentioning was actually put up before that time in the cemetery, and yet it was still vandalized.


Also many people don't know that there were slave owners that were other races, and that they also fought for the Confederacy. 

Edited October 26, 2020 by Cyberfx1024

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16 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

In the mossy PNW we get get to leave sometime and travel , and we have books, Television and even the internet. We are not all living in "Twilight".  I have relatives in the south "on both sides"

I don't know what kinda of news you guys get up there honestly. Obviously it must come straight from the Socialist News Network with how many crazy people you guys got up there

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Let is not forget Kamala and her family history as slave owners.

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5 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

The civil war was primarily fought because Rich people wanted to keep their slaves and not have to worry about about a outside entity (DC) dictating what happens in their state.  All the while poor white people were forced to fight and die for the rich...

The are few statues celebrating poor white people who put their life on the line, correct me if I'm wrong.

 

5 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

 

Don't act like I am some dumb ol' hillbilly or redneck that doesn't know the history of where I grew up. I love the history of my state and have studied it extensively. 

No offense bub, but you told someone from Oregon that they have no clue about the south. Don't treat us like clueless lumberjacks.

 

5 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

 

Many of the statues were put up during the Jim Crow era. But the statue I am mentioning was actually put up before that time in the cemetery, and yet it was still vandalized.


Also many people don't know that there were slave owners that were other races, and that they also fought for the Confederacy. 

Were any black slaveowners fighting on the side of the Confederacy?

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8 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Let is not forget Kamala and her family history as slave owners.

Is she on the front lines celebrating Confederate war hero statues?

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Just now, CanAm1980 said:

Is she on the front lines celebrating Confederate war hero statues?

She benefited from the financial consequences.

 

As opposed for example to my own family.

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7 minutes ago, Boiler said:

 

She benefited from the financial consequences.

 

As opposed for example to my own family.

She personally has put money in her pocket from Confederate soldier statues? 

Is that England?  

Sorry this is very bizzare, Kamala Harris benefits from the Confederacy, somehow linked to John LeCarre doubles.

 

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24 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

I don't know what kinda of news you guys get up there honestly. Obviously it must come straight from the Socialist News Network with how many crazy people you guys got up there

I am going to register Socialist news network.com right now. I could stack up the Benjamins selling Zigzag papers and customized teargas shields while providing Marxist indoctrination to WaOrNoCal

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Just now, CanAm1980 said:

I am going to register Socialist news network.com right now. I could stack up the Benjamins selling Zigzag papers and customized teargas shields while providing Marxist indoctrination to WaOrNoCal

Don't forget the quinoa, oat milk and yoga mats.

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1 minute ago, laylalex said:

Don't forget the quinoa, oat milk and yoga mats.

I am putting you in charge or display ad sales. Do you feel any conflict between pulling down six figures while benefiting from exploiting  anarchomarxists who don't believe in antiperspirants with aluminum?