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New England Journal of Medicine blasts Trump officials' response to virus, calls for new leaders

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  There were only two options worth doing. Either don't ban flights and let everyone in and hope you can screen for illness, or ban travel and quarantine everyone coming in from the endemic area. Hindsight is 20:20 but banning travel and letting some people in didn't really accomplish anything different than letting everyone in would have done. Travel ban/restriction and quarantine might have worked. 

But your party of choice said banning travel from China was xenophobic.  Imagine what might have happened if they DIDN'T fight Trump at every turn, and we HAD banned all incoming flight from China back in January like was proposed?  

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But your party of choice said banning travel from China was xenophobic.  Imagine what might have happened if they DIDN'T fight Trump at every turn, and we HAD banned all incoming flight from China back in January like was proposed?  

How did the Democrats block travel from China? 

 

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But your party of choice said banning travel from China was xenophobic.  Imagine what might have happened if they DIDN'T fight Trump at every turn, and we HAD banned all incoming flight from China back in January like was proposed?  

 

  He would have taken flak from the Democrats for banning all flights, but he might be looking a whole lot better right now. Ultimately Trump is president. The buck stops with him. Banning some flights from China got him the same flak from the Dems anyway, without really accomplishing anything tangible.

 

  Personally I would have been fine if we had banned incoming flights everywhere and had a 14 day quarantine for returning residents. Do that until you assess the severity of the virus.  I think they tried to have it both ways so as to ban some flights, but not be disruptive to all the USC's returning. We paid for that with exponentially greater disruption to everything. I never saw much sense in just banning flights from China.

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  He would have taken flak from the Democrats for banning all flights, but he might be looking a whole lot better right now. Ultimately Trump is president. The buck stops with him. Banning some flights from China got him the same flak from the Dems anyway, without really accomplishing anything tangible.

 

  Personally I would have been fine if we had banned incoming flights everywhere and had a 14 day quarantine for returning residents. Do that until you assess the severity of the virus.  I think they tried to have it both ways so as to ban some flights, but not be disruptive to all the USC's returning. We paid for that with exponentially greater disruption to everything. I never saw much sense in just banning flights from China.

I can get behind that.  Though in the beginning, there WOULD have been tons of pushback trying to quarantine thousands of people who were returning from overseas (and... where do you house them at the point of embarkation?).  But a total ban/quarantine would have been better than what we did, and yes, I am certain the dems would have opposed Trump over it, HARD.

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I can get behind that.  Though in the beginning, there WOULD have been tons of pushback trying to quarantine thousands of people who were returning from overseas (and... where do you house them at the point of embarkation?).  But a total ban/quarantine would have been better than what we did, and yes, I am certain the dems would have opposed Trump over it, HARD.

 

    It sounds bad until we compare it to the alternative. Instead of a few thousand people wasting a couple of weeks, we all have done that for months. Like I said though, hindsight is 20:20.  

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hindsight is 20:20

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   Indeed. Hopefully the next one is better.

Not likely if Biden is elected.

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