Kyle Rittenhouse - The Truth in 11 Minutes

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

8 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

     Are you suggesting the judge will just go with the evidence the defense attorneys present and not listen to any of the prosecution's evidence? I don't think that is how it will go sown.

 

    I am not saying the video is wrong, but it's not the only side of the equation, and one has to acknowledge that it was made to portray the defendant in the best possible light. So unless the prosecution is blowing smoke, this will not be the only evidence the judge considers. 

Looking at the evidence of one side isn't how things will go down nor have I said that it's how.. but I'm not the one demanding "neutral sources".. and since you're asking for the prosecution's evidence (where is it btw?) at the same time while dismissing the footage Rittenhouse's lawyer showed, it sounds like you're calling the prosecution the neutral source. Was the video compiled by KR's lawyer fake? Did the lawyer record the footage in the videos? Can we see them in full elsewhere? 

 

Shouldn't even need to get this far really. 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

2 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Looking at the evidence of one side isn't how things will go down nor have I said that it's how.. but I'm not the one demanding "neutral sources".. and since you're asking for the prosecution's evidence (where is it btw?) at the same time while dismissing the footage Rittenhouse's lawyer showed, it sounds like you're calling the prosecution the neutral source. Was the video compiled by KR's lawyer fake? Did the lawyer record the footage in the videos? Can we see them in full elsewhere? 

 

Shouldn't even need to get this far really. 

 

   The prosecution doesn't usually release their evidence in the media, (nor should the defense really). However as to your second assertion, you don't need to put words in my mouth. We were talking about two different things. In court, neither the defense or prosecution is "neutral". In media, one can attempt to find a neutral source of information. I certainly would not go with the defense attorney's video as my first choice for that, nor would I use anything the prosecution team chose to release. 

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

1 minute ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   The prosecution doesn't usually release their evidence in the media, (nor should the defense really). However as to your second assertion, you don't need to put words in my mouth. We were talking about two different things. In court, neither the defense or prosecution is "neutral". In media, one can attempt to find a neutral source of information. I certainly would not go with the defense attorney's video as my first choice for that, nor would I use anything the prosecution team chose to release. 

It was actually you who put words in my mouth when your question suggested I said only one side's evidence needs to be looked at. 

 

Have you come up with a more neutral source of information? 

 

It's really not this complex. We know what Rittenhouse was doing earlier (video of this), we know what he was doing there (also on video) to begin with which points to motive, and we know what led to the shootings (video and pictures of this). Are his shootings unjustified? Did he go there intending to kill people? What was the first aid bag for? What was the fire extinguisher for? Why was he running with the extinguisher? Did he have any justification to fear for his life? Were the people pursuing him violent? Easy answers.

 

Strangely all I see interest in are ways to *get* Rittenhouse for something and ignoring everything else. Easy conclusion to derive. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   The prosecution doesn't usually release their evidence in the media, (nor should the defense really). However as to your second assertion, you don't need to put words in my mouth. We were talking about two different things. In court, neither the defense or prosecution is "neutral". In media, one can attempt to find a neutral source of information. I certainly would not go with the defense attorney's video as my first choice for that, nor would I use anything the prosecution team chose to release. 

Rather than go back and forth with legal babble, how about just stating where you think the blame lies in this case?  Was Kyle defending himself, or did he commit murder?

[Steeleballz 7,550]

On 9/26/2020 at 8:15 PM, Voice of Reason said:

Rather than go back and forth with legal babble, how about just stating where you think the blame lies in this case?  Was Kyle defending himself, or did he commit murder?

 

   Barring some evidence that we haven't seen yet (which is possible), I think he'll be acquitted of the murder charges by claiming self defense, but I don't think he walks away from it completely clean. There is some risk in portraying him as the "minuteman" type of call to arms defender because it highlights his own decision to put himself in a stupid situation. The public endangerment and underage possession charges will stick. As to his future, it's not going to look good on his resume, but he does have his supporters. Their best defense would be show him as a naeve kid who got in over his head.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

24 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Barring some evidence that we haven't seen yet (which is possible), I think he'll be acquitted of the murder charges by claiming self defense, but I don't think he walks away from it completely clean. There is some risk in portraying him as the "minuteman" type of call to arms defender because it highlights his own decision to put himself in a stupid situation. The public endangerment and underage possession charges will stick. As to his future, it's not going to look good on his resume, but he does have his supporters. Their best defense would be show him as a naeve kid who got in over his head.

Agree. It was self defense,  but inserting himself in the right was not to bright. As I understand it , he had no skin in the game.

 

Now if a business owner was protecting his business,  then by all means arm yourself and defend your hard earned property. 

 

Sad the local liberal politicians would rather have family business burned to the ground than stand up to rioters 

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

44 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Agree. It was self defense,  but inserting himself in the right was not to bright. As I understand it , he had no skin in the game.

 

Now if a business owner was protecting his business,  then by all means arm yourself and defend your hard earned property. 

 

Sad the local liberal politicians would rather have family business burned to the ground than stand up to rioters 

How many people have you seen address this part that have solely went after Kyle? Nearly zero, for me. It's quite an interesting thing watching them bounce over the rioters like they weren't even in the picture.. yet one doesn't believe so many people are simply dumb. So they either don't care, or find the rioting/building torching preferable, there's no other conclusion to draw from this repeated tactic.

 

It's no different than when the Oregon governor or Portland mayor lays into the feds for protecting federal property, but then goes all out to put a stop to simple protesting from the "Proud Boys" as if they're the ones torching these buildings, attacking cops, getting arrested day after day for rioting/arson/etc, killing people, etc. 😂 Wish they'd play less gaslighting games and just be honest about their intentions.

Edited September 28, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Y'all make it sound like Kyle traveled across several states looking for trouble.  I don't see this as the case.  He lives a scant 30 minutes from Kenosha. (Heck, people drive farther than that to buy groceries) Kyle supports the police, likely wants to be one when he grows up, and he saw a need nearby and went there to help.  He was protecting businesses that were being destroyed by rioters, he was cleaning up graffiti, and he was rendering medical aid to anyone who was injured.  I would likely travel that distance myself to help protect businesses if this was going on near me, it seems like the right thing to do.  These thugs who are destroying our cities NEED to see that people will band together and stand up to them when they do wrong.

 

I don't think it comes across like some young kid put looking for trouble.  I mean, these rioters and looters ARE traveling across the country to destroy businesses and cities, but Kyle's mom drove him to Kenosha to help.  YUUUuugggeee difference to me.

 

 

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“People are getting injured and our job is to protect this business,” Rittenhouse said. “And part of my job is also to help people. If there’s somebody hurt, I’m running into harm’s way. That’s why I have my rifle because I can protect myself obviously and my med kit.” The Times reported that Rittenhouse claimed he was pepper sprayed while protecting property by another person before the shootings.

 

 

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Witnesses at the scene said that Rittenhouse was with a group of white males who came to Kenosha to defend property after Black Lives Matter protesters caused a series of arson fires and other property damage throughout the city. In one instance, an officer was struck with a brick. A call for armed citizens to defend people and property then went out on social media, although Kenosha police have not yet confirmed which group Rittenhouse was associated with, if any.

 

Edited September 28, 2020 by Voice of Reason

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

12 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Barring some evidence that we haven't seen yet (which is possible), I think he'll be acquitted of the murder charges by claiming self defense, but I don't think he walks away from it completely clean. There is some risk in portraying him as the "minuteman" type of call to arms defender because it highlights his own decision to put himself in a stupid situation. The public endangerment and underage possession charges will stick. As to his future, it's not going to look good on his resume, but he does have his supporters. Their best defense would be show him as a naeve kid who got in over his head.

Thank you.  I disagree with your assessment on the public endangerment aspect, as well as the part about looking bad on a resume.  I think he will walk away from all of it, might have to pay a $500 fine for underage possession of a firearm if they lose the battle over the hunting exclusion (which I think is weak at best, but we all know lawyers will try ANYTHING).

[Dashinka 24,736]

9 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

Thank you.  I disagree with your assessment on the public endangerment aspect, as well as the part about looking bad on a resume.  I think he will walk away from all of it, might have to pay a $500 fine for underage possession of a firearm if they lose the battle over the hunting exclusion (which I think is weak at best, but we all know lawyers will try ANYTHING).

Maybe they take the Sandmann approach to the media outlets improperly characterizing the events.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

4 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Maybe they take the Sandmann approach to the media outlets improperly characterizing the events.

Well, I think L. Lin Wood certainly has a track record that bodes well for Kyle.  Fingers crossed for the young man.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

On 9/23/2020 at 10:30 PM, CanAm1980 said:

He exercised poor judgment in transporting a weapon across state lines into a city where carrying at his age is against the law. He got in over his head very quickly and did not alert authorities that he passed that he had been involved in a lethal shooting, which indicates consciousness of guilt. The young man is not someone I want my kids emulating.

 

On 9/24/2020 at 4:35 PM, Voice of Reason said:

Why are making this stuff up?  Are you a #fakenews reporter too?  

 

Not only did he NOT transport the gun across state lines (which is not a crime, BTW but just clarifying anyway, since you brought it up), he is the one who called for help after he shot the criminal against which he was forced to defend himself.  But at least you passed judgment without watching the video.

 

On 9/24/2020 at 10:36 PM, CanAm1980 said:

You have a different understanding of the facts. 

 

On 9/25/2020 at 3:57 PM, CanAm1980 said:

I was accused of making things up, #fakenews, in short, I was called a liar.

I am pointing out that my understanding of the facts varies from others in this forum.

 

Just because I don't consume a steady diet of junk food Breitbart, fox news, rush limbaugh does not make me a fabricator of truth.

 

This is a pattern here, if someone disagrees with the reactionary mindset that dominates this forum, they are labeled "head in the sand", " #fakenews or crazy. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well what do we have here... 
 

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Alleged Kenosha shooter Kyle Rittenhouse won't face charges in home state of Illinois

 

Prosecutors in Illinois said an investigation found that the AR-15-style rifle used in the Kenosha shooting was purchased, stored and used in Wisconsin, according to the AP. There was no evidence that the gun was ever in Rittenhouse's physical possession in Illinois, the Lake County State’s Attorney’s Office said.

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/520896-alleged-kenosha-shooter-kyle-rittenhouse-wont-face-charges-in-illinois

 

 

 

Edited October 14, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

Top notch documentary I didn't even notice in September (on the sensitive side with some language, but important for facts):

 

This video is essential because it's now resulted in an arrest and charges of the first person who shoots at Kyle. His shot caused Kyle to turn around faster which helped him react to the person about to grab his weapon.

 

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The man who fired the first shots from behind Kyle Rittenhouse during the fatal incident in Kenosha has been charged.

Joshua Ziminski, 35, has been charged with disorderly conduct and use of a dangerous weapon for firing his weapon during the incident on August 25.

According to the charging document, obtained by The Gateway Pundit, while investigating the shooting by Rittenhouse, Kenosha detectives obtained videos in which Ziminski “was holding a black handgun, which he was holding in his left hand, pointing downward. Detective Howard reports that in reviewing multiple other videos, he was able to see the defendant and Kelly Ziminski, in and around multiple other people on the streets, and the defendant was seen holding the handgun down at his side in said videos.”

 

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/scoop-man-fired-first-shots-behind-kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-charged/

 

The documentary style video is just amazing and demonstrates serious political malice in charging Rittenhouse with crimes he blatantly did not commit. There's no chance these result in any guilty verdict, likely dropped and don't even make it to a trial. 

 

Additional things I didn't post before that are in the video:

 

- Rittenhouse repeatedly identifies himself as a medic and asks if anyone needs medical help

- Everything is fine until some people decide to jump him, leading immediately to the idiot "Ziminski" firing in the air and making Kyle realize how serious this is. During the initial chase Kyle yells "friendly! friendly!"

- The question if he was trying to contact police is unequivocal, I understood in one stream a few weeks ago that his call was to police to tell them what happened when in fact he was running by a livestreamer who asked him what he was doing and he said going to the police..clearly in the video he was running toward police as you can see their sirens a few blocks up, the guy (who it turns out was bicep guy) then shouts for people to get him, followed by others shouting it and a bunch of people pursuing Kyle again. It leads to skateboard guy trying to pummel him, he falls, skateboard guy attacks him and getting shot (in the head or chest), bicep guy about to get Kyle but Kyle aims at him, bicep guy puts his hands up as if he's surrendering/harmless (the part where the scummy media used photos as if to depict Kyle shooting a guy with his hands up), Kyle moves his gun to low ready, bicep guy immediately draws and advances at Kyle with his gun and Kyle raises his gun and pops his arm.

 

Every single person that got shot by Kyle deserved it.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

Kyle extradited, already in custody. Not an unexpected result, but there's basically zero chance he's convicted beyond reasonable doubt for either of the charges I saw. Does this even go to a trial? They're basically joke charges. 

Edited October 30, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[TBoneTX 45,956]

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