USCIS launches SAVE feature today

[USAjune2016 101]

This new feature is to hold sponsors accountable if aliens request public means. The laws were already in place but For decades the government wouldn’t go after sponsors. Apparently things are really changing and legal immigration is going to be harder and harder and maybe a privilege for the healthy&wealthy only.

 

https://www.uscis.gov/news/news-releases/uscis-launches-sponsor-deeming-and-agency-reimbursement-information-collection-initiative

Edited September 10, 2020 by USAjune2016

[igoyougoduke 1,644]

Yeah the government is making its own citizens criminals. Sounds like Mafia is running the country. Have they checked the trillions wasted in Iraq, Afghanistan, all wars and bailing out wall street. 

 

Now the government is worried about the few thousand dollars. Penny foolish Administration 

Edited September 10, 2020 by James120383

[Crazy Cat 41,601]

I see this initiative  as a good thing.  The government should have been enforcing the I-864s all along.  Why should taxpayers have to carry the load for someone who VOLUNTARILY signed an I-864?  Public burden concerns have been around for decades..That is nothing new...however, this initiative is new...and I welcome it.

 

"Sponsors are individuals who agree to use their income and resources to support sponsored aliens."

"If a sponsored alien receives a means-tested public benefit, the sponsor is responsible, upon request, for reimbursing the agency providing the benefit. "

Edited September 10, 2020 by Lucky Cat

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[USAjune2016 101]

23 minutes ago, Lucky Cat said:

The government should have been enforcing the I-864s all along.  Why should taxpayers have to carry the load for someone who VOLUNTARILY signed an I-864?  Public burden concerns have been around for decades..This is nothing new....

Legally you’re right but morally you’re not. Let’s say I’m a US citizen and a Tax payer as well. So around 30% of my income is gone and part of it goes to support other US citizen in need ( knowing that a lot of US citizens are rigging the system). Let’s say I sponsor a family member that means the world for me and while they’re here they really needed some sort of help now I can’t help them because my money is gone to help others that means nothing to me. So I have to sit and watch my loved one suffering?  If only the wealthy and healthy will be able to come here, what’s the American dream is for then? The public system truly suffering but this isn’t because of the legal immigrants or their few loved ones that most of them are not actually seeking public means but instead paying taxes and contributing to the system But the real problem is the corruption, the citizens that are rigging the system and maybe illegal immigration but definitely not the legal immigration.

Yourself might be fortunate enough to support your loved ones but walk yourself in other people shoes If you can and wouldn’t you want them to get help? 
I personally don’t have parents that want to come here but I think about my fellow immigrant and it hurts.

 

 

Edited September 10, 2020 by USAjune2016

[Crazy Cat 41,601]

18 hours ago, USAjune2016 said:

Legally you’re right but morally you’re not. Let’s say I’m a US citizen and a Tax payer as well. So around 30% of my income is gone and part of it goes to support other US citizen in need ( knowing that a lot of US citizens are rigging the system). Let’s say I sponsor a family member that means the world for me and while they’re here they really needed some sort of help now I can’t help them because my money is gone to help others that means nothing to me. So I have to sit and watch my loved one suffering?  If only the wealthy and healthy will be able to come here, what’s the American dream is for then? The public is system truly suffering but this isn’t because of the legal immigrants or their few loved ones that most of them are not actually seeking public means but instead paying taxes and contributing to the system But the real problem is the corruption, the citizens that are rigging the system and maybe illegal immigration but definitely not the legal immigration.

Yourself might be fortunate enough to support your lived ones but walk yourself in other people shoes If you can and wouldn’t you want them to get help? 
I personally don’t have parents that want to come here but I think about my fellow immigrant and it hurts.

Morally, I feel that I am right.   If you can't financially sponsor a new immigrant, then don't sign a contract to do so..period.....and don't expect me to take on the burden for your inability to honor your commitment.  

Edited September 11, 2020 by Lucky Cat

[TBoneTX 45,023]

In accordance with this,

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USCIS is asking these agencies to now share how they use the SAVE sponsorship information in their sponsor assessment and agency reimbursement processes.  The collected information will help participating agencies learn and improve how they use sponsor information to make eligibility determinations and hold sponsors accountable. This initiative will also allow USCIS to improve how it administers the SAVE program and help agencies that administer benefits programs better meet obligations under agency reimbursement laws and regulations.

, it looks more like a long-term approach to increasing efficiency than it looks like a money- or power-grab.  It will be many months (or perhaps years) until all agencies respond and USCIS synthesizes the information, let alone enforces it.

Edited September 10, 2020 by TBoneTX

[USAjune2016 101]

11 minutes ago, Lucky Cat said:

Morally, I am right.   If you can't financially sponsor a new immigrant, then don't sign a contract to do so..period.....and don't expect me to take on the burden for your inability to honor your commitment.  

This is called mutuality , I support you when you need help and you support me when I do. That’s how Humanity survived and  also animals or birds. 
How do you think insurance companies pay their claims and still make money. Mutuality!  If a US citizen need to sponsor a loved one they should be able to do so. I have no doubt if you calculate how much money legal immigrants generate to the system minus how much they take public means the result is definitely positive. 

 

Edited September 10, 2020 by USAjune2016

[Crazy Cat 41,601]

6 minutes ago, USAjune2016 said:

This is called mutuality , I support you when you need help and you support me when I do. That’s how Humanity survived and  also animals or birds. 
How do you think insurance companies pay their claims and still make money. Mutuality!  If a US citizen need to sponsor a loved one they should be able to do so. I have no doubt if you calculate how much money legal immigrants generate to the system minus how much they take public means the result is definitely positive. 

 

Self-sufficiency is a good thing.  So is having adequate insurance.

Edited September 10, 2020 by Lucky Cat

[TBoneTX 45,023]

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[USAjune2016 101]

Just now, Lucky Cat said:

and don't expect me to take on the burden for your inability to honor your commitment.  

 People don’t sign an I-864 because they want to but because it’s required, Again I’m talking about moralitIes here and not legalities. I’m not a lawyer and I’m not on this forum to talk to lawyers either. Again I call you to rethink your opinions not because I want to win the conversation but Because we need to do the right thing.

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7 minutes ago, USAjune2016 said:

 People don’t sign an I-864 because they want to but because it’s required, Again I’m talking about moralitIes here and not legalities. I’m not a lawyer and I’m not on this forum to talk to lawyers either. Again I call you to rethink your opinions not because I want to win the conversation but Because we need to do the right thing.

I am firm on my opinion that enforcing the I-864 is a good thing for taxpayers.  I see no reason to "rethink" my opinion.  If you disagree, OK.   Anyone who signs an I-864 without knowing the consequences is not a wise person.

Edited September 10, 2020 by Lucky Cat

[SalishSea 17,744]

43 minutes ago, USAjune2016 said:

Legally you’re right but morally you’re not. Let’s say I’m a US citizen and a Tax payer as well. So around 30% of my income is gone and part of it goes to support other US citizen in need ( knowing that a lot of US citizens are rigging the system). Let’s say I sponsor a family member that means the world for me and while they’re here they really needed some sort of help now I can’t help them because my money is gone to help others that means nothing to me. So I have to sit and watch my loved one suffering?  No.  That's the point.  It would be great if you helped them instead of watching them suffer.  The problem is that sponsors don't necessarily do that, so the help has to come from the taxpayer dime.  See?  If only the wealthy and healthy will be able to come here, what’s the American dream is for then? The public system truly suffering but this isn’t because of the legal immigrants or their few loved ones that most of them are not actually seeking public means but instead paying taxes and contributing to the system But the real problem is the corruption, the citizens that are rigging the system and maybe illegal immigration but definitely not the legal immigration.

Yourself might be fortunate enough to support your loved ones but walk yourself in other people shoes If you can and wouldn’t you want them to get help? 
I personally don’t have parents that want to come here but I think about my fellow immigrant and it hurts.

 

 

 

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[SalishSea 17,744]

 

23 minutes ago, USAjune2016 said:

 People don’t sign an I-864 because they want to but because it’s required,

Wrong again.  It is not required that anyone agrees to be a sponsor.  It is completely voluntary.  I can think of a handful of people I'd be willing to do this for.