The Secret Campaign of President Bush's Administration To Deny Global Warming

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

This should be a good one - Bush, Cheney & Global Warming. Together at last.

The Secret Campaign of President Bush's Administration To Deny Global Warming

[one...two...tree 2,762]

You rang?

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rollingstone.com - right out of the hippies mouth! nice source.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I'm actually trying to see if people will read the article before they start slamming the source. My theory is that most of the time people react to the website banner rather than the words on the page.

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I ain't got time fer all dat fancy book larnin. I knows a hippie when I sees one.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Here's an interesting little gem on the idea of scientific concensus on GW.

American Association of Petroleum Geologists (AAPG)

The only major scientific organization that presently rejects the finding of significant human influence on recent climate is the American Association of Petroleum Geologists (AAPG), according to a statement by the Council of the American Quaternary Association.[6] The AAPG Policy Statement on Climate Change Policy,[22] adopted in 1999,[23] states

"Recently published research results do not support the supposition of an anthropogenic cause of global climate change...Detailed examination of current climate data strongly suggests that current observations do not correlate with the assumptions or supportable projections of human-induced greenhouse effects."

As of May 2007, the AAPG is in the process of updating its statement, in part because "the current policy statement is not supported by a significant number of our members and prospective members." [24] A proposed statement [25] includes:

"Humans, simply by virtue of the size of the world's population, represent a new agent of change through our significant modifications related to land use, urbanization, industrial activity, and through changes in atmospheric composition related to fuel combustion and deforestation. The size and continued growth of the world's population indicates that continued change to the planet is inevitable."

The proposed statement lists increased greenhouse gases as one of "several contributing factors" to climate change but makes no comment on whether recent global warming is or is not primarily anthropogenic. It notes that the AAPG "respects the conclusions of [the IPCC]".

[peejay 327]

"Humans, simply by virtue of the size of the world's population, represent a new agent of change through our significant modifications related to land use, urbanization, industrial activity, and through changes in atmospheric composition related to fuel combustion and deforestation. The size and continued growth of the world's population indicates that continued change to the planet is inevitable."

That pretty much says it all. Anybody that thinks that human activities on such a large scale do not impact our environment is delusional.

The earth has only so much carrying capacity and when it eventually gets exceeded...it won't be pretty. Unfortunately humankind has never shown much inclination to voluntarily restrain itself. Natural forces will eventually do what humankind refuses to do.

Oh well...I hope I'm gone from old age when the sh*t finally hits the fan (as it eventually will). It doesn't have to be this way, but I don't believe humans will ever have their sh*t together enough to prevent it. What you sow is what you reap.

Edited June 24, 2007 by peejay

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

The Bushies have finally admitted anyway that there is a correlation between human activity and global warming. They actually went to a big meeting this year that had human induced global climate change at it's center and sought to come to a consensus to do something about it. The Bushies actually arrived there with a proposal to address the now acknowledged facts: They proposed to have a series of meetings on the issue. They seem to forget that those meetings took place years ago. The fact that they chose to ignore them doesn't make those go away. Bush really lives in a parallel reality of his own.

[RaspberrySwirl 20]

I ain't got time fer all dat fancy book larnin. I knows a hippie when I sees one.

Haha. You dork.

I don't even bother to post anything anymore. If it isn't something people agree with, you're either a damn leftie or out of your mind or whatever.

So, whatever.

I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I ain't got time fer all dat fancy book larnin. I knows a hippie when I sees one.

Haha. You dork.

I don't even bother to post anything anymore. If it isn't something people agree with, you're either a damn leftie or out of your mind or whatever.

So, whatever.

I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.

I'm beginning to realize that, but I'm a little slow.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I'm beginning to realize that, but I'm a little slow.

We noticed, Steven. We noticed. It's all good!

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I'm beginning to realize that, but I'm a little slow.

We noticed, Steven. We noticed. It's all good!

Drown out the opposition until they go away...good strategy. I'm saving up though for a big wallup when you least expect it.

[jundp 191]

The Bushies have finally admitted anyway that there is a correlation between human activity and global warming. They actually went to a big meeting this year that had human induced global climate change at it's center and sought to come to a consensus to do something about it. The Bushies actually arrived there with a proposal to address the now acknowledged facts: They proposed to have a series of meetings on the issue. They seem to forget that those meetings took place years ago. The fact that they chose to ignore them doesn't make those go away. Bush really lives in a parallel reality of his own.

Do you mean the G8 Summit in Germany a couple of weeks ago, where the German Chancellor Merkel (a physicist and highly respected one, as well) warned Bush that this problem wasn't going to go away? And he needed another 2 days or so of convincing before he'd agree to policies that would reduce the greenhouse gas emissions? It's disgusting. I read that the US produces 25% of the world's greenhouse gas emissions....gah, now I need to find my source or I'll look like an eejit (ah, who cares, I'll just be the lefty hippie chick).

I digress...

[Portlander 0]

Exxon Mobil is now paying scientists USD 10,000 for each article in a peer reviewed journal that does not support Global Warming. Oil companies have a long history of elaborate schemes to increase the use of petroleum products - such as buying all the rail lines in the US they could and selling them for scrap metal. Strange bu true.

I keep hearing in the US press that biofuels emit the same or similar level of pollution as fossil fuels. If you slap something to the tailpipe it is actually pretty comparable, since it is essentially the same thing. The difference is that with fossil fuels, we are drilling oil from the rocks, and with biofuels, we grow plants. As the plant grows, it takes exactly the same pollutants out of the atmosphere that you release when you burn it - so the net pollutants with fossil fuel is whatever you take out of the ground, while the net pollutants when you burn biofuels is exactly zero.

The Bushies have finally admitted anyway that there is a correlation between human activity and global warming.

Only when tactical. Merkel had a proposal that would have passed, but Bush's couterproposal derailed it, so nothing got done.

[mawilson 2,133]

The earth has only so much carrying capacity and when it eventually gets exceeded...it won't be pretty. Unfortunately humankind has never shown much inclination to voluntarily restrain itself. Natural forces will eventually do what humankind refuses to do.

Exactly. The "legions of Katrinas" will exterminate the surplus population and things will go back to normal.