Unfair Treatment at Jamaican Consulates

[MrsHarris16 6]

Hi all,

I want to know if anyone else has experienced what I’ve gone through with consular administrative processing or 221g case refusal. Jamaica US Embassy. Interview date 11 August 2020.

So my Ir1 cases has been refused and After the interview my Husband and stepchildren were given 221g (Husband needs to provide proof of ongoing relationship with kids and find a new joint sponsor). They were asked to return the next day with the evidence for the kids. And They did. Luckily I was able to find a new joint sponsor and was able to resubmit new I-864s with supporting financial evidence that same day of the initial interview. At the second interview the consular officer wouldn’t give a decision on our case that day and wouldn’t review the new information that was resubmitted. However, they did give my husband and my 19 year old step daughter a stokes interview. They still kept their passports. But the cases are still  showing refused on CEAC but I’m seeing last case updated date changing. 

FIRST ISSUE: There didn’t accept our original sponsor who made over 100k For the last three years. The sponsor did sponsor 2 others (her parents) and has 1 dependent. So that’s 4 total people in her household plus she was to sponsor my husband and 2 stepchildren. 7 people total. They didn’t accept her AOS because she lives in a different state from me. I thought that was very weird because nothing stated the sponsor had to live in the same state. At the initial interview, consular concerned with what our family size will be if the join us. It will also be 7. That’s why we got the joint sponsor. 

SECOND ISSUE: In the stokes interview They were concerned about the kids migrating with their father without the mother. The mother gave us a sworn statement giving us permission to take the kids to the US. 

What could be going on? This situation has me so confused. We definitely proved proof of a bona fide marriage. There is no question they can ask them that they don’t know. So I can’t understand what is taking so long for them to give us a decision. What do you all think is going on? Should I be worried?

[Lil bear 4,181]

My thoughts are that they are doubly checking the release of the children.. which is important .. and a safeguard for all involved. 
The financial requirement is a minimum only and does not guarantee approval  The IO has the  task of making the decision based on the whole situation surrounding support , not just the income. It’s a hard place I know ... but you will be waiting until they are satisfied .. it is a positive that they kept the passports. 

[Just Paul 4,595]

12 minutes ago, MrsHarris16 said:

FIRST ISSUE: There didn’t accept our original sponsor who made over 100k For the last three years. The sponsor did sponsor 2 others (her parents) and has 1 dependent. So that’s 4 total people in her household plus she was to sponsor my husband and 2 stepchildren. 7 people total. They didn’t accept her AOS because she lives in a different state from me. I thought that was very weird because nothing stated the sponsor had to live in the same state. At the initial interview, consular concerned with what our family size will be if the join us. It will also be 7. That’s why we got the joint sponsor

You mean that the joint sponsor makes over 100k a year?  And provided all the tax documents for the joint sponsor and an I-864A for the spouse.   The shear number of immigrants that have been sponsored, sponsor's dependents and your spouse and dependants may not be practical for the the whole lot.  Consulates prefer joint sponsor that are related to the petitioner or beneficiary.

 

15 minutes ago, MrsHarris16 said:

SECOND ISSUE: In the stokes interview They were concerned about the kids migrating with their father without the mother. The mother gave us a sworn statement giving us permission to take the kids to the US. 

What could be going on? This situation has me so confused. We definitely proved proof of a bona fide marriage.

It isn't a Stokes Interview if there was sufficient proof of a bona fide marriage.

[MrsHarris16 6]

8 minutes ago, Lil bear said:

My thoughts are that they are doubly checking the release of the children.. which is important .. and a safeguard for all involved. 
The financial requirement is a minimum only and does not guarantee approval  The IO has the  task of making the decision based on the whole situation surrounding support , not just the income. It’s a hard place I know ... but you will be waiting until they are satisfied .. it is a positive that they kept the passports. 

Thank you for clarifying that. I’ve never been through this before so I’m very confused and concerned.

[Lil bear 4,181]

2 minutes ago, MrsHarris16 said:

Thank you for clarifying that. I’ve never been through this before so I’m very confused and concerned.

Yes it’s not easy to wait through the long process. Please know we are here to support you ! 

[MrsHarris16 6]

7 minutes ago, Paul & Mary said:

You mean that the joint sponsor makes over 100k a year?  And provided all the tax documents for the joint sponsor and an I-864A for the spouse.   The shear number of immigrants that have been sponsored, sponsor's dependents and your spouse and dependants may not be practical for the the whole lot.  Consulates prefer joint sponsor that are related to the petitioner or beneficiary.

 

It isn't a Stokes Interview if there was sufficient proof of a bona fide marriage.

Thank you for clarifying that on the stokes interview. I’ve never been through this before so I’m very confused and concerned. And Yes she made over 100k per year and she is my Aunt( dad’s sister). I thought a stokes interview was when they separate the group to question them. We gave them a ton of financial and ongoing relationship evidence at the interview to prove our marriage.

1 minute ago, Lil bear said:

Yes it’s not easy to wait through the long process. Please know we are here to support you ! 

Thank you so much!

[JeanneAdil 6,489]

Although the joint sponsor has a decent income,  the CO still looks at your income to see if you can afford the medical insurance,  etc and even if you are able to add them a policy at your job, the premiums are high.  This is still more about your income as your joint sponsor is not going to be providing for them.  

 

As for the statement from the mother,  if there is joint custody (or she has custody),  a sworn statement is not enough

you need a court document for the kids to fly and you will probably need to show you will provide airfare when the court deems for the kids to travel and visit the mother.  she can rescind a sworn statement at any time.

 

This is what the CO has to look at to decide a case.

They kept the passports which means the embassy is checking and verifying your documents/ and they changed the way the CEAC posts about cases,  they now put refused until the case has been decided and then it will be issued or denied /don't worry about refused status

 

we will keep you in our prayers and hoping for the best for all of u

[JFH 12,190]

Regarding the joint sponsor, the officers have the power of discretion to reject a joint sponsor even if said joint sponsor is comfortably over the threshold. I can see why this was a concern for the officer. Is the joint sponsor related to you by blood or marriage? When there are multiple immigrants involved the risk for the sponsor increases, especially one who is already sponsoring some people. The more immigrants one sponsors = the more risk that someone will use public funds and the sponsor will be required to pony up. It’s very unusual for someone to agree to such a risk and commitment for someone to whom they are not related. 
 

We used a joint sponsor and the first question I was asked at the interview was “how is this person related to you?”. 

[Orangesapples 1,954]

51 minutes ago, JFH said:

Regarding the joint sponsor, the officers have the power of discretion to reject a joint sponsor even if said joint sponsor is comfortably over the threshold. I can see why this was a concern for the officer. Is the joint sponsor related to you by blood or marriage? When there are multiple immigrants involved the risk for the sponsor increases, especially one who is already sponsoring some people. The more immigrants one sponsors = the more risk that someone will use public funds and the sponsor will be required to pony up. It’s very unusual for someone to agree to such a risk and commitment for someone to whom they are not related. 
 

We used a joint sponsor and the first question I was asked at the interview was “how is this person related to you?”. 

OP said that the sponsor was her aunt. 

[Ann&James 179]

2 hours ago, Orangesapples said:

OP said that the sponsor was her aunt. 

You have to have a lot of patience  with  this  process. My friend  had her interview on August 14th and  during  the interview the CO realized that the doctor made a mistake  with her medical. The Co called the doctor and the corrected medical was emailed to the embassy  the next day, her case is also saying refused  and has been updated once. She is also still waiting.

[Quarknase 1,072]

I believe for children the parent immigrating should have sole custody, or there needs to be a court agreement. A sworn statement might not be enough.

[MrsHarris16 6]

4 hours ago, Orangesapples said:

OP said that the sponsor was her aunt. 

 

5 hours ago, JFH said:

Regarding the joint sponsor, the officers have the power of discretion to reject a joint sponsor even if said joint sponsor is comfortably over the threshold. I can see why this was a concern for the officer. Is the joint sponsor related to you by blood or marriage? When there are multiple immigrants involved the risk for the sponsor increases, especially one who is already sponsoring some people. The more immigrants one sponsors = the more risk that someone will use public funds and the sponsor will be required to pony up. It’s very unusual for someone to agree to such a risk and commitment for someone to whom they are not related. 
 

We used a joint sponsor and the first question I was asked at the interview was “how is this person related to you?”. 

The sponsor is my father’s sister and she sponsored  Her parents (my grandparents)

[MrsHarris16 6]

20 minutes ago, Quarknase said:

I believe for children the parent immigrating should have sole custody, or there needs to be a court agreement. A sworn statement might not be enough.

I can understand the custody thing but they took the sworn statement and never said we needed anything else. One of the children is 19 and the other one is 10. What making me upset is the fact that they are not telling us what all is needed so they can review the case. On the 221g it says bring proof of ongoing relationship with the kids from the father. And provide a new joint sponsor who lives closer. Sponsor lives in Maryland and I’m in Georgia. My grandparents she sponsored live with my parents in Georgia. My dad filed for them and she was the joint sponsor. So that’s why I’m confused that they would reject her. But anyways

[MrsHarris16 6]

6 hours ago, JeanneAdil said:

Although the joint sponsor has a decent income,  the CO still looks at your income to see if you can afford the medical insurance,  etc and even if you are able to add them a policy at your job, the premiums are high.  This is still more about your income as your joint sponsor is not going to be providing for them.  

 

As for the statement from the mother,  if there is joint custody (or she has custody),  a sworn statement is not enough

you need a court document for the kids to fly and you will probably need to show you will provide airfare when the court deems for the kids to travel and visit the mother.  she can rescind a sworn statement at any time.

 

This is what the CO has to look at to decide a case.

They kept the passports which means the embassy is checking and verifying your documents/ and they changed the way the CEAC posts about cases,  they now put refused until the case has been decided and then it will be issued or denied /don't worry about refused status

 

we will keep you in our prayers and hoping for the best for all of u

I have very good health insurance and it’s very affordable. The family plan is one set price up to 7 people. Me my children are already on it and my rate won’t change whenI add them. I work for the Airlines as well. I’m just waiting to see when they will ask for these court documents because they took the statement and never asked for anything else. That’s why I’m confused even now because the CO never mentioned these things.

[Orangesapples 1,954]

1 hour ago, Quarknase said:

I believe for children the parent immigrating should have sole custody, or there needs to be a court agreement. A sworn statement might not be enough.

But if the child is 19, no custody is needed I assume?