Is There Any Limit To What We'll Do To 'Stop Coronavirus'?

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 hour ago, yuna628 said:

It's with a heavy heart and still an intense anger that I type this. Having already lost a family friend to this virus and saw how quickly it destroyed every part of their body, a sense of dread overcame me when I received frantic messages from my family yesterday.

 

My BiL is in the ICU fighting for his life this very moment, but there is not much fight left. The virus took him away into a coma within the space of 24hrs. 24....hours! My sister is not in good mental state, and I fear knowing how fragile she is, what will come after this is all over. I have tried so hard to spare my family of the grief that has afflicted so many, and bit my tongue in the face of those who simply think that this virus is a joke or that it is somehow the afflicted person's fault and praying that this pain will never ever reach their doorsteps. Yesterday, my soul felt so heavy I went out to the mountains to spend some time with the vastness of creation in the hope to find some peace and answers. This is what I've came home to. Grief and more pain.

 

So please guys, while you're all arguing about 'statistics' and your interpretations of them and have numerous heated matches about politics while you always do... please don't forget what really matters in life. I'm taking some time off from the internet atm... emotions are too raw. Hug and keep your families close - if they aren't within your bubbles then in whatever socially distanced way you can.

Sorry to hear this Yuna.  Losing a friend or family is never easy.  Peace to your family who must bear the loss. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

4 hours ago, Dashinka said:

The overall death rate from everything is higher this year and is outside the norm over the past 6.5 years and it is obvious why.  I tried to go back to the pandemic from the late 1960's to do a comparison, but I could not find that data.  The total deaths peaked at Week 15.  Note, the data is taken from NCHS.

 

Is it just my old eyes, or does the 2020 line merge into 2014?

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

20 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  The problem is when someone mentions co-morbidities, we conjure up a mental image of someone in poor health barely able to get around. We imagine that only the very old or the very ill are at high risk. The truth is these co-morbidities are often relatively benign. Most of us over 50 have something going on, whether we know it or not. Sure some people have obvious signs of poor health, but many do not. Sixty percent of Americans are considered overweight or obese. Thirty percent have hypertension. They don't all have obvious health issues. I did a 100 mile bike ride last week with a guy who is diagnosed with both (overweight and hypertension), and he had no problems cycling hard for 6 hours. You wouldn't necessarily think he is at higher risk, but he is. I am too, being on the wrong side of 50. A lot more people are than think they are. 

Don't disagree with any of this.  But as we gather more data, it becomes clear that covid alone isn't killing very many people (that's where the 6% figure is measured).  The other 94% likely were closer to death than they knew.  Kind of like the first young person to die (think he was 23?) "from covid".  Turns out he had stage 4 cancer, and only had a few months to live, but never even knew about the cancer.  And as we age, the risk of comorbidities becomes much greater, I'm sure you'd agree.  And that is likely why the average age of covid deaths is so very close to the "normal" average of deaths.  

 

As @Dashinka pointed out, each of us has 100% likelihood of dying.  The trick is to put it off as long as possible.  But the reality is, every single person who died with comorbidities (94%, with the average being more than 2 comorbidities) was going to die anyway.  When?  We have no way of knowing.  But that is the way it goes with the survival of ANY species on earth.

[Dashinka 24,437]

Yep, messed up the charting of the 2014 data.

 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 minute ago, Dashinka said:

Yep, messed up the charting of the 2014 data.

 

 

I am so glad I caught it and you were able to correct it before NB2 came along and lit you up for it.  You know how he is a stickler for grammer and deatails...

Edited September 3, 2020 by Voice of Reason

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

2 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

Don't disagree with any of this.  But as we gather more data, it becomes clear that covid alone isn't killing very many people (that's where the 6% figure is measured).  The other 94% likely were closer to death than they knew.  Kind of like the first young person to die (think he was 23?) "from covid".  Turns out he had stage 4 cancer, and only had a few months to live, but never even knew about the cancer.  And as we age, the risk of comorbidities becomes much greater, I'm sure you'd agree.  And that is likely why the average age of covid deaths is so very close to the "normal" average of deaths.  

 

As @Dashinka pointed out, each of us has 100% likelihood of dying.  The trick is to put it off as long as possible.  But the reality is, every single person who died with comorbidities (94%, with the average being more than 2 comorbidities) was going to die anyway.  When?  We have no way of knowing.  But that is the way it goes with the survival of ANY species on earth.

Heart Attacks alone very rarely kill anyone. However the lack of blood flow to the body and brain is deadly