The undecided voter thread: persuade me

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1 hour ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

What's the uphill part? Trump took formerly Obama voting districts in Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio, Pennsylvania, etc. that hadn't voted for a Republican in 20-60 years, made them "in play" and his to lose.

I think I outlined the uphill part, Sunbelt states that didn't fall Bill Clinton's way are now  states where ad dollars need to be spent by the RNC.

 

 

1 hour ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

The idea of the KKK-Republican is perception, and that perception is driven by a media that now has as much credibility as Alex Jones, and coincidentally, a following like Alex Jones too.

? What? How did AJ and the KKK slip in ?

 

 

1 hour ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

What's the "not credible" basis on Stein? She speak Russian?

Is she on the ballot?

[OriZ 3,157]

On 8/24/2020 at 7:13 PM, CanAm1980 said:

What I asked for is a Pro statement for each candidate in the perspective of this forum. What I got is

 

Reasons to vote for Biden 0

Reasons to vote for Trump 0

 

 

Here we go, that's the spirit lol

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2 minutes ago, OriZ said:

Why do you have to choose one or the other? Screw the "lesser of two evils". I have standards that likely no politician will ever live up to so I'm likely stuck voting for myself for the rest of my life.

Okay, get on the ballot in a Washington state and I will throw away my vote on you.

Edited August 26, 2020 by CanAm1980

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

4 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

I think I outlined the uphill part, Sunbelt states that didn't fall Bill Clinton's way are now  states where ad dollars need to be spent by the RNC.

Interestingly, you avoided the other part. Undecided eh?

 

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? What? How did AJ and the KKK slip in ?

The arguments made for why those states are "in play".

 

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Is she on the ballot?

Nope, but the same Green Party and leftist populism are. Might want to factor them, they were relevant last election.

 

3 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

Okay, get on the ballot in a Washington state and I will throw away my vote on you.

Ahh, the two party talk, and the talking points of the Democratic Party brass. Undecided?

Edited August 26, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

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1 minute ago, OriZ said:

Here we go, that's the spirit lol

I did get a lot of pro-trumpian noise but no compelling arguments. Biden supporters seen to be hiding out in the woods here. Is there a progressive current events forum that I don't know about?

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

3 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

I did get a lot of pro-trumpian noise but no compelling arguments. Biden supporters seen to be hiding out in the woods here. Is there a progressive current events forum that I don't know about?

It's because people don't believe you're as undecided nor as uninformed as you're portraying. The "0" "0" gimmick was the real giveaway. Genuinely made me chuckle.

Edited August 26, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[OriZ 3,157]

Just now, CanAm1980 said:

I did get a lot of pro-trumpian noise but no compelling arguments. Biden supporters seen to be hiding out in the woods here. Is there a progressive current events forum that I don't know about?

For the record, I do think Trump will win, but I don't plan to vote for him myself. Being a minarchist I have a major issue with the bloated government(and neither Trump nor republicans at large have made that any better) and simply see it as playing to their own hands to vote for ANY of them. To me it's literally like deciding what stinks less - a garbage bag or a garbage can. It's all the same trash(maybe my anarchist friends have rubbed off on me a bit as well). I have a major issue with the way Trump treated the Kurds, and I can't vote for anyone who won't do something about public ponzi debacles like SS. I will also not help elect anyone who isn't open-minded enough to change the ways the US regulates cryptocurrency. I'm tired of compromising just to be fed the same ####### again and again. 

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2 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Interestingly, you avoided the other part. Undecided eh?

 

You lost me, I bow to your  acumen.

 

2 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

The arguments made for why those states are "in play".

I did not suggest the kkk and herbal steroid spokesperson Alex Jones were a factor. 

 

2 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

 

Nope, but the same Green Party and leftist populism are. Might want to factor them, they were relevant last election.

Well , I already committed my vote to Oriz.

2 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

 

Ahh, the two party talk, and the talking points of the Democratic Party brass. Undecided?

Who did you vote for in the last presidential election? Jill Stein?

[OriZ 3,157]

1 minute ago, CanAm1980 said:

 

 

 

Well , I already committed my vote to Oriz.

 

Haha. You're not the first 

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

4 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

You lost me, I bow to your  acumen.

 

I did not suggest the kkk and herbal steroid spokesperson Alex Jones were a factor. 

You're citing things paraded around by the media (or what you might call "talking points"), but ignoring the reasons why they state it, and ignoring the gains made in Democrat territory by Trump to get elected in the first place. 

 

4 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

Well , I already committed my vote to Oriz.

He didn't declare a running mate.. been here before!

 

 

4 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

Who did you vote for in the last presidential election? Jill Stein?

Gary Johnson

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13 minutes ago, OriZ said:

Haha. You're not the first 

A proviso , I would like to be considered for department of education cabinet seat or postmaster general. I have seen how that is working nowadays and figure I could do a better job working part-time.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

On 8/24/2020 at 9:19 AM, CanAm1980 said:

This is not a thread for attacks on these men. 

 

 

What I want to know, how will it help me to choose one or the other? Where should my vote go to help me, my family, community and nation?

 

What are the Pros of electing Donald Trump?

What are the Pros of electing Joe Biden?

If you are none of the above, how should I spend my vote? Or stay at home?

 

Being asked sometimes by people who are on the fence or who aren’t very politically active:

 

“What has @realDonaldTrump done or fixed as President?"

 

It’s a good question deserving of an in depth answer, so here’s a thread listing some of what he’s done in 3 years. Read it all!

 

•This week Trump signed 3 bills for Native people. One gives compensation to the Spokane tribe for loss of their lands in the mid-1900s, one funds Native language programs and the other gives federal recognition to the Little Shell Tribe of Chippewa Indians in Montana

•This month Trump finalized the creation of Space Force as our 6th Military branch

•This month Trump signed a law to make cruelty to animals a federal felony so that animal abusers face tougher consequences

•Violent crime has fallen every year he’s been in office after rising the 2 years before he was elected

•Trump signed bill making CBD and Hemp legal 

•Trump’s EPA gave $100 million to fix the water infrastructure problem in Flint, Michigan

•Under Trump’s leadership, in 2018 the U.S. surpassed Russia and Saudi Arabia to become the world’s largest producer of crude oil

•Trump signed a law ending the gag orders on Pharmacists that prevented them from sharing money saving information

•Trump signed the “Allow States and Victims to Fight Online Sex Trafficking Act” (FOSTA), which includes the “Stop Enabling Sex Traffickers Act” (SESTA) which both give law enforcement and victims new tools to fight sex trafficking

•Trump signed a bill to require airports to provide spaces for breastfeeding Moms

•The 25% lowest-paid Americans enjoyed a 4.5% income boost in November 2019, that outpaces a 2.9% gain in earnings for the country's highest-paid workers

•Low-wage workers are benefiting from higher minimum wages and corporations that are increasing entry-level pay

•Trump signed the biggest wilderness protection & conservation bill in a decade and designated 375,000 acres as protected land

•Trump signed the Save our Seas Act which funds $10 million per year to clean tons of plastic & garbage from the ocean

•He signed a bill this year allowing some drug imports from Canada so that prescription prices would go down

•Trump signed an executive order this year that forces all healthcare providers to disclose the cost of their services so that Americans can comparison shop and know how much less providers charge insurance companies

•When signing that bill he said no American should be blindsided by bills for medical services they never agreed to in advance

•Hospitals will now be required to post their standard charges for services, which include the discounted price a hospital is willing to accept

•In the eight years prior to President Trump’s inauguration, prescription drug prices increased by an average of 3.6% per year. Under Trump drug prices have seen year-over-year declines in nine of the last ten months, with a 1.1% drop as of the most recent month.

•Created a White House VA Hotline to help veterans and principally staffed it with veterans and direct family members of veterans

•VA employees are being held accountable for poor performance, with more than 4,000 VA employees removed, demoted, and suspended so far

•Issued an executive order requiring the Secretaries of Defense, Homeland Security, and Veterans Affairs to submit a joint plan to provide veterans access to access to mental health treatment as they transition to civilian life

•Because of a bill signed and championed by Trump, In 2020, most federal employees will see their pay increase by an average of 3.1% — the largest raise in more than 10 years

•Trump signed into a law up to 12 weeks of paid parental leave for millions of federal workers

•Trump administration will provide HIV prevention drug for free to 200,000 uninsured patients per year for 11 years

•All time record sales during the 2019 holidays

•Trump signed an order allowing small businesses to group together when buying insurance to get a better price

•President Trump signed the Preventing Maternal Deaths Act that provides funding for states to develop maternal mortality reviews to better understand maternal complications and identify solutions & largely focuses on reducing the higher mortality rates for Black Americans

•In 2018, President Trump signed the groundbreaking First Step Act, a criminal justice bill which enacted reforms that make our justice system fairer and help former inmates successfully return to society

•The First Step Act’s reforms addressed inequities in sentencing laws that disproportionately harmed Black Americans and reformed mandatory minimums that created unfair outcomes

•The First Step Act expanded judicial discretion in sentencing of non-violent crimes

•Over 90% of those benefiting from the retroactive sentencing reductions in the First Step Act are Black Americans

•The First Step Act provides rehabilitative programs to inmates, helping them successfully rejoin society and not return to crime

•Trump increased funding for Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) by more than 14%

•Trump signed legislation forgiving Hurricane Katrina debt that threatened HBCUs

•New single-family home sales are up 31.6% in October 2019 compared to just one year ago

•Made HBCUs a priority by creating the position of executive director of the White House Initiative on HBCUs

•Trump received the Bipartisan Justice Award at a historically black college for his criminal justice reform accomplishments

•The poverty rate fell to a 17-year low of 11.8% under the Trump administration as a result of a jobs-rich environment

•Poverty rates for African-Americans and Hispanic-Americans have reached their lowest levels since the U.S. began collecting such data

•Pres. Trump signed a bill that creates five national monuments, expands several national parks, adds 1.3 million acres of wilderness, and permanently reauthorizes the Land and Water Conservation Fund

•Trump’s USDA committed $124 Million to rebuild rural water infrastructure

•Consumer confidence & small business confidence at an all time high 

•More than 7 million jobs created since election

•More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history

•More than 400,000 manufacturing jobs created since his election

•Trump appointed 5 openly gay ambassadors 

•Trump ordered his openly gay ambassador to Germany, Ric Grenell to lead a global initiative to decriminalize homosexuality across the globe

•Through Trump’s Anti-Trafficking Coordination Team (ACTeam) initiative, Federal law enforcement more than doubled convictions of human traffickers and increased the number of defendants charged by 75% in ACTeam districts

•In 2018, the Department of Justice (DOJ) dismantled an organization that was the internet’s leading source of prostitution-related advertisements resulting in sex trafficking.

•Trump’s OMB published new anti-trafficking guidance for government procurement officials to more effectively combat human trafficking

•Trump’s Immigration and Customs Enforcement’s Homeland Security Investigations arrested 1,588 criminals associated with Human Trafficking

•Trump’s Department of Health and Human Services provided funding to support the National Human Trafficking Hotline to identify perpetrators and give victims the help they need

•The hotline identified 16,862 potential human trafficking cases

•Trump’s DOJ provided grants to organizations that support human trafficking victims – serving nearly 9,000 cases from July 1, 2017, to June 30, 2018

•The Department of Homeland Security has hired more victim assistance specialists, helping victims get resources and support

•President Trump has called on Congress to pass school choice legislation so that no child is trapped in a failing school because of his or her zip code

•The President signed funding legislation in September 2018 that increased funding for school choice by $42 million

•The tax cuts signed into law by President Trump promote school choice by allowing families to use 529 college savings plans for elementary and secondary education

•Under his leadership ISIS has lost most of their territory and been largely dismantled

•ISIS leader Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi was killed

•Signed the first Perkins CTE reauthorization since 2006, authorizing more than $1 billion for states each year to fund vocational and career education programs

•Executive order expanding apprenticeship opportunities for students and workers

•President Trump’s issued an Executive Order prohibiting the U.S. government from discriminating against Christians or punishing expressions of faith

•Signed an executive order that allows the government to withhold money from college campuses deemed to be anti-Semitic and who fail to combat anti-Semitism

•President Trump ordered a halt to U.S. tax money going to international organizations that fund or perform abortions

•Trump imposed sanctions on the socialists in Venezuela who have killed their citizens

•Finalized new trade agreement with South Korea

•Made a deal with the European Union to increase U.S. energy exports to Europe

•Withdrew the U.S. from the job killing TPP deal

•Secured $250 billion in new trade and investment deals in China and $12 billion in Vietnam

•OK’d up to $12 billion in aid for farmers affected by unfair trade retaliation

•Has had over a dozen US hostages freed, including those Obama could not get freed

•Trump signed the Music Modernization Act, the biggest change to copyright law in decades

•Trump secured Billions that will fund the building of a wall at our southern border

•The Trump Administration is promoting second chance hiring to give former inmates the opportunity to live crime-free lives and find meaningful employment

•Trump’s DOJ and the BOP launched a new “Ready to Work Initiative” to help connect employers directly with former prisoners

•President Trump’s historic tax cut legislation included new Opportunity Zone Incentives to promote investment in low-income communities across the country

•8,764 communities across the country have been designated as Opportunity Zones

•Opportunity Zones are expected to spur $100 billion in long-term private capital investment in economically distressed communities across the country

•Trump directed the Education Secretary to end Common Core

•Trump signed the 9/11 Victims Compensation Fund into law

•Trump signed measure funding prevention programs for Veteran suicide

•Companies have brought back over a TRILLION dollars from overseas because of the TCJA bill that Trump signed

•Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than 30 years

•Stock Market has reached record highs

•Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded

•African-American unemployment is at an all time low

•Hispanic-American unemployment is at an all time low

•Asian-American unemployment is at an all time low

•Women’s unemployment rate is at a 65 year low

•Youth unemployment is at a 50 year low

•We have the lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for

•The Pledge to America’s Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans

•95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the future— the highest ever.

•As a result of the Republican tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years

•Record number of regulations eliminated that hurt small businesses

•Signed welfare reform requiring able-bodied adults who don’t have children to work or look for work if they’re on welfare

•Under Trump, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history

•Reformed Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugs—saving seniors 100’s of millions of $$$ this year alone

•Signed Right-To-Try legislation allowing terminally ill patients to try experimental treatment that wasn’t allowed before

•Secured $6 billion in new funding to fight the opioid epidemic

•Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care

•U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high so we are less dependent on oil from the Middle East

•The U.S. is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957

•NATO allies increased their defense spending because of his pressure campaign

•Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord in 2017 and that same year the U.S. still led the world by having the largest reduction in Carbon emissions

•Has his circuit court judges being confirmed faster than any other new administration

•Had his Supreme Court Justice’s Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh confirmed

•Moved U.S. Embassy in Israel to Jerusalem

•Agreed to a new trade deal with Mexico & Canada that will increase jobs here and $$$ coming in

•Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports

•Imposed tariffs on China in response to China’s forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices, has agreed to a part 1 trade deal with China

•Signed legislation to improve the National Suicide Hotline

•Signed the most comprehensive childhood cancer legislation ever into law, which will advance childhood cancer research and improve treatments

 

This is just SOME of of the incredible work @realDonaldTrumpand his admin have done in their 3 years so far at the@WhiteHouse. This is why I support him. This is why I’ll vote in 2020 to Keep America Great. If you have uninformed family or friends, show them this thread!

Another upcoming accomplishment to add: In the next week or two Trump will be signing the first major anti-robocall law in decades called the TRACED Act (Telephone Robocall Abuse Criminal Enforcement and Deterrence). I’ll explain the law in the next tweet.

Once it’s law the TRACED Act will extend the period of time the FCC has to catch & punish those who intentionally break telemarketing restrictions. The bill also requires voice service providers to develop a framework to verify calls are legitimate before they reach your phone.

The TRACED Act requires carriers to share tools & the ability to block spam callers with customers for free. It also changes the fine imposed on spam telemarketers from $1,500 to $10,000 PER CALL. Earlier this year Trump’s FCC fined one robocall guy $120 million. Common sense. 😉

 

Another accomplishment I need to add:

•The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act signed into law by Trump doubled the maximum amount of the child tax credit available to parents and lifted the income limits so more people could claim it

•It also created a new tax credit for other dependents

Another couple of accomplishments to add to the list:

•In 2018, President Trump signed into law a $2.4 billion funding increase for the Child Care and Development Fund, providing a total of $8.1 billion to States to fund child care for low-income families

•The Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit (CDCTC) signed into law by Trump provides a tax credit equal to 20-35% of child care expenses, $3,000 per child & $6,000 per family + Flexible Spending Accounts (FSAs) allow you to set aside up to $5,000 in pre-tax $ to use for child care

•In 2019 President Donald Trump signed the Autism Collaboration, Accountability, Research, Education and Support Act (CARES) into law which allocates $1.8 billion in funding over the next five years to help people with autism spectrum disorder and to help their families.

 

 

 

Meanwhile, Joe Biden allowed kids at the pool to play with his hairy legs. 

 

The choice is pretty clear... even Stevie Wonder can see it.

 

Edited August 26, 2020 by Voice of Reason

[OriZ 3,157]

1 hour ago, CanAm1980 said:

A proviso , I would like to be considered for department of education cabinet seat or postmaster general. I have seen how that is working nowadays and figure I could do a better job working part-time.

Noted. Even part time is too much.

[laylalex 7,284]

2 hours ago, CanAm1980 said:

I did get a lot of pro-trumpian noise but no compelling arguments. Biden supporters seen to be hiding out in the woods here. Is there a progressive current events forum that I don't know about?

I can't say that I am really pro-Biden, but I am pro-sanity. I see more of it coming from one camp than another. I also know that I am really outnumbered here for better or worse, and I don't really feel like "debating" my point of view with people who think I am deluded/naive/a socialist/in bed with anarchists. I have given a lot of thought, as a progressive capitalist, to where I think my vote is better directed. We are all entitled to our points of view, and I don't fancy being belittled for a decision that I have made after quite a bit of thought. 

[OriZ 3,157]

10 minutes ago, laylalex said:

I can't say that I am really pro-Biden, but I am pro-sanity. I see more of it coming from one camp than another. I also know that I am really outnumbered here for better or worse, and I don't really feel like "debating" my point of view with people who think I am deluded/naive/a socialist/in bed with anarchists. I have given a lot of thought, as a progressive capitalist, to where I think my vote is better directed. We are all entitled to our points of view, and I don't fancy being belittled for a decision that I have made after quite a bit of thought. 

I will never understand why anyone would associate anarchists with progressives/leftists. Sure, some self proclaimed anarchists are in those camps, but it's just like many other libertarians who aren't really libertarians. The anarchists I know, want to obviate the state. I don't know any of them who think Biden is any better than Trump. Literally zero.