The undecided voter thread: persuade me

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

1 minute ago, Steeleballz said:

 

    Can't they manage it like they did with Reagan?

I will say Reagan may have had some of the early stages at the very end of his 8 years. Biden is fried going in.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

50 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I will say Reagan may have had some of the early stages at the very end of his 8 years. Biden is fried going in.

 

  Reagan's son wrote in his book that they saw signs of dementia before the end of his first term.

[TBoneTX 45,075]

To the OP:  If you heard ANY speaker on this first night of the Republican Nat'l. Convention, you'd know whom to vote for.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

25 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Reagan's son wrote in his book that they saw signs of dementia before the end of his first term.

His son is a mdl.  

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

3 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

    Can't they manage it like they did with Reagan?

Good point

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

2 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

To the OP:  If you heard ANY speaker on this first night of the Republican Nat'l. Convention, you'd know whom to vote for.

I must have missed it, can you give me the bullet points?

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

5 hours ago, Neonred said:

You live in Washington state, correct?  You might as well stay at home.  You already know which way your state is going.

 

If you do vote, vote for Joe.

He has promised to raise your taxes.

He has promised to give free healthcare to illegals.

He has promised reparations for blacks because of slavery.

You do know that we vote for more than President and VP in Washington? I am not sure how it works in your neck of the woods. AND we get the our ballots delivered to our mailbox (even for school levies). All in all we are civilization, not like Florida, but we don't have hanging Chads.

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

2 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

His son is a mdl.  

Is that code for gay living in Seattle?

[TBoneTX 45,075]

1 hour ago, CanAm1980 said:

I must have missed it, can you give me the bullet points?

I heard only parts of the later ones.  I was just looking at this website, and here are a few recaps:

 

nice story:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/08/24/rep-jim-jordan-shares-a-touching-personal-story-about-president-trumps-compassi-n2574958

 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/reaganmccarthy/2020/08/24/right-to-try-n2574967

 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/cortneyobrien/2020/08/24/nikki-haley-drags-the-obamabiden-foreign-policy-in-her-rnc-speech-n2574964

 

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2020/08/24/donald-trump-jr-shreds-dems-biden-and-their-promayhem-agenda-n2574968

 

I heard almost all of this remarkable one:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/elliebufkin/2020/08/24/tim-scott-speaks-at-rnc-2020-n2574923

 

full transcript:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2020/08/24/at-rnc-democratic-state-rep-has-a-warning-for-the-left-about-growing-segment-of-black-voters-n2574969

 

President's agenda for second term:

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/08/24/trump-releases-his-second-term-agenda-n2574894

[Neonred 3,551]

20 hours ago, CanAm1980 said:

This is not a thread for attacks on these men. 

 

 

What I want to know, how will it help me to choose one or the other? Where should my vote go to help me, my family, community and nation?

 

What are the Pros of electing Donald Trump?

What are the Pros of electing Joe Biden?

If you are none of the above, how should I spend my vote? Or stay at home?

 

10 hours ago, Neonred said:

You live in Washington state, correct?  You might as well stay at home.  You already know which way your state is going.

 

If you do vote, vote for Joe.

He has promised to raise your taxes.

He has promised to give free healthcare to illegals.

He has promised reparations for blacks because of slavery.

 

4 hours ago, CanAm1980 said:

You do know that we vote for more than President and VP in Washington? I am not sure how it works in your neck of the woods. AND we get the our ballots delivered to our mailbox (even for school levies). All in all we are civilization, not like Florida, but we don't have hanging Chads.

Really didn't think you deserved a response with your attitude, BUT YOU were the one that suggested staying at home...

[Dashinka 24,420]

11 hours ago, CanAm1980 said:

What I asked for is a Pro statement for each candidate in the perspective of this forum. What I got is

 

Reasons to vote for Biden 0

Reasons to vote for Trump 0

 

 

So loving the country is not a pro?  I guess views differ which is one of the reasons I tend to vote GOP.  Even though the media would want you to think otherwise, the GOP is much more inclusive than the party of identity politics.  Whatever, enjoy your governor, and if you live in Seattle, the City Council.

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

42 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

So loving the country is not a pro?  I guess views differ which is one of the reasons I tend to vote GOP.  Even though the media would want you to think otherwise, the GOP is much more inclusive than the party of identity politics.  Whatever, enjoy your governor, and if you live in Seattle, the City Council.

I hear pundits and politicos advertise all the time how they or their camp loves their country and the other side is; Marxist/Fascist/Racist/fillintheblank*ist, and they alone hold the true path. So someone saying the other side is evil is a perfect reason to discount what they have to say. 

 

I am not interested in the Democratic or Republican brand, Just what the Presidential candidates plan to do, and the case for how they will do it. 

 

I have not heard an apologist for either side make that case. 

 

[Crazy Cat 41,654]

President Trump has published this agenda for his 2nd term:

 

President Trump: 

JOBS

·Create 10 Million New Jobs in 10 Months

·Create 1 Million New Small Businesses

·Cut Taxes to Boost Take-Home Pay and Keep Jobs in America

·Enact Fair Trade Deals that Protect American Jobs

·"Made in America" Tax Credits

·Expand Opportunity Zones

·Continue Deregulatory Agenda for Energy Independence

ERADICATE COVID-19

·Develop a Vaccine by The End Of 2020

·Return to Normal in 2021

·Make All Critical Medicines and Supplies for Healthcare Workers in The United States

·Refill Stockpiles and Prepare for Future Pandemics

END OUR RELIANCE ON CHINA

·Bring Back 1 Million Manufacturing Jobs from China

·Tax Credits for Companies that Bring Back Jobs from China

·Allow 100% Expensing Deductions for Essential Industries like Pharmaceuticals and Robotics who Bring Back their Manufacturing to the United States

·No Federal Contracts for Companies who Outsource to China

·Hold China Fully Accountable for Allowing the Virus to Spread around the World

HEALTHCARE

·Cut Prescription Drug Prices

·Put Patients and Doctors Back in Charge of our Healthcare System

·Lower Healthcare Insurance Premiums

·End Surprise Billing

·Cover All Pre-Existing Conditions

·Protect Social Security and Medicare

·Protect Our Veterans and Provide World-Class Healthcare and Services

EDUCATION

·Provide School Choice to Every Child in America

·Teach American Exceptionalism

DRAIN THE SWAMP

·Pass Congressional Term Limits

·End Bureaucratic Government Bullying of U.S. Citizens and Small Businesses

·Expose Washington’s Money Trail and Delegate Powers Back to People and States

·Drain the Globalist Swamp by Taking on International Organizations That Hurt American Citizens

DEFEND OUR POLICE

·Fully Fund and Hire More Police and Law Enforcement Officers

·Increase Criminal Penalties for Assaults on Law Enforcement Officers

·Prosecute Drive-By Shootings as Acts of Domestic Terrorism

·Bring Violent Extremist Groups Like ANTIFA to Justice

·End Cashless Bail and Keep Dangerous Criminals Locked Up until Trial

END ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND PROTECT AMERICAN WORKERS

·Block Illegal Immigrants from Becoming Eligible for Taxpayer-Funded Welfare, Healthcare, and Free College Tuition

·Mandatory Deportation for Non-Citizen Gang Members

·Dismantle Human Trafficking Networks

·End Sanctuary Cities to Restore our Neighborhoods and Protect our Families

·Prohibit American Companies from Replacing United States Citizens with Lower-Cost Foreign Workers

·Require New Immigrants to Be Able to Support Themselves Financially

INNOVATE FOR THE FUTURE

·Launch Space Force, Establish Permanent Manned Presence on The Moon and Send the First Manned Mission to Mars

· Build the World’s Greatest Infrastructure System

·Win the Race to 5G and Establish a National High-Speed Wireless Internet Network

·Continue to Lead the World in Access to the Cleanest Drinking Water and Cleanest Air

Partner with Other Nations to Clean Up our Planet’s Oceans

AMERICA FIRST FOREIGN POLICY

·Stop Endless Wars and Bring Our Troops Home

·Get Allies to Pay their Fair Share

·Maintain and Expand America’s Unrivaled Military Strength

·Wipe Out Global Terrorists Who Threaten to Harm Americans

·Build a Great Cybersecurity Defense System and Missile Defense System

Edited August 25, 2020 by Lucky Cat

[Crazy Cat 41,654]

Biden will bring a far left administration and marxist policies...........big difference between the two candidates.

[Dashinka 24,420]

1 hour ago, CanAm1980 said:

I hear pundits and politicos advertise all the time how they or their camp loves their country and the other side is; Marxist/Fascist/Racist/fillintheblank*ist, and they alone hold the true path. So someone saying the other side is evil is a perfect reason to discount what they have to say. 

 

I am not interested in the Democratic or Republican brand, Just what the Presidential candidates plan to do, and the case for how they will do it. 

 

I have not heard an apologist for either side make that case. 

 

Honestly, I look at this more holistically rather than just the office.  It is very clear that the Democrat Party has shifted toward the far Left which is interesting when you look at some of their past strategies.  Usually we see that Party try to position themselves toward the center of the political spectrum, but that is not happening here.  This added to the fact that they are enabling the riots that are occurring particularly in the NW which I assume you are familiar with, and the fact that they are advocating the tearing down of  institutions that the majority of times are there for the protection of the people drives me further from them.  Sure every person is different, but in this environment of Party First, I cannot just look at the differences between two people.