The undecided voter thread: persuade me

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

This is not a thread for attacks on these men. 

 

 

What I want to know, how will it help me to choose one or the other? Where should my vote go to help me, my family, community and nation?

 

What are the Pros of electing Donald Trump?

What are the Pros of electing Joe Biden?

If you are none of the above, how should I spend my vote? Or stay at home?

[Dashinka 24,420]

In my opinion you just have to set aside all the personality defects of either person, and really take a deep look at the policies they and their parties are promoting.  This is not something we saw last week during the DNC's convention, and it is yet to be determined  how the GOP will sell its plan this week.  However, there was still a lot of between the lines things to take away from last week, and the biggest one in my eyes is the direction the Dems appear to want to take this country which includes tearing it down.  You have to look at your own political views and see how they correspond to each party/candidate, but from a truly economic perspective, I believe Trump has a much better vision than Biden.

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

Maybe I should be more definitive, the Pros are not limited to personal economic gains in this thread and the gains can be any improvement to the country.

 

Edited August 24, 2020 by CanAm1980

[Ban Hammer 13,276]

a vote for biden is a vote to cave in to democrat party sponsored rioting.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

58 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

Maybe I should be more definitive, the Pros are not limited to personal economic gains in this thread and the gains can be any improvement to the country.

 

You should probably just specify what your priorities are, otherwise people will give you an opinion based on theirs.

[Dashinka 24,420]

58 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

Maybe I should be more definitive, the Pros are not limited to personal economic gains in this thread and the gains can be any improvement to the country.

 

In a regulated capitalist system, the economic gains personally, or corporately lead to improvements in the country through a larger tax base.  Regardless of what the Dems and others in the Federal government will tell you, Government is not a wealth producer.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

3 hours ago, CanAm1980 said:

This is not a thread for attacks on these men. 

 

 

What I want to know, how will it help me to choose one or the other? Where should my vote go to help me, my family, community and nation?

 

What are the Pros of electing Donald Trump?

What are the Pros of electing Joe Biden?

If you are none of the above, how should I spend my vote? Or stay at home?

For me, it's pretty simple.  I look at what Biden has accomplished in 47 years that is good for America, and what Trump has accomplished in 3 years, and there simply is NO comparison.  Trump blows Biden out of the water.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

15 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

For me, it's pretty simple.  I look at what Biden has accomplished in 47 years that is good for America, and what Trump has accomplished in 3 years, and there simply is NO comparison.  Trump blows Biden out of the water.

Ditto and will add.. Fake Impeachment, Fake 3 year Russian investigation,  weaponizing the FBI

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

I am not hearing / seeing a compelling reason to vote for Trump. Healthcare? Immigration? Environment?  Anything concrete in these areas?

 

 

I can get the talking points against Trump or Biden from the yammering on the 24 hour news.  

Edited August 24, 2020 by CanAm1980

[Ban Hammer 13,276]

or better yet - tell us why one would vote for biden without mentioning trump.

[Dashinka 24,420]

22 minutes ago, CanAm1980 said:

I am not hearing / seeing a compelling reason to vote for Trump. Healthcare? Immigration? Environment?  Anything concrete in these areas?

 

 

I can get the talking points against Trump or Biden from the yammering on the 24 hour news.  

Have you seen a compelling reason to vote for Biden?  Like I said, the one biggest reason I have seen is that Trump loves this country, I do not get the same feeling from Biden and his past history as a public servant.

 

Beyond that you need to provide more of what your own political priorities are and how they align with the current choices. 

 

Btw, you can look back at the last several presidential elections, and there are very few compelling reasons to vote for one candidate over the other.  Heck, there are a lot of people who voted for President Obama simply because of the color of his skin as opposed to anything concrete.

[TBoneTX 45,076]

Biden exhibits objective signs of dementia or senility and refuses to take a cognitive-ability test.  He's never seen in public unless in a tightly scripted situation with his wife or another handler at his side.  Already, the media are lobbying for no debates with the President.  This is not a safe individual to have forming trade agreements with other countries, or with his finger near the nuclear button.

 

Someone (or a group of someones) is behind Biden, pulling his strings.  If Biden is elected, this someone will have presidential power without having declared his/her candidacy, running for office, or having expended funds or effort.  This remains true even if the 25th Amendment is applied to Biden and Kamala Harris takes over.

 

Harris' campaign didn't even make it to the Hawkeye Cauci.  Without my looking, she was favored by something like 7% (or was it 3%) of Democrat voters.  Approximately 51% of (all Democrats?  Democrats of color?) view her unfavorably.  Some consider her to be a hypocrite, if not a phony.

 

These two have adopted Bernie Sanders' socialist platform.  If one or more of these programs are implemented, tens of millions of U.S. jobs will be lost.  The Constitution, and particularly the Second Amendment, will be shredded.  As the least of our worries, we'll have to wear face-diapers for the foreseeable future, amidst other constant assaults on our liberty as a free people.

[Crtcl Rice Theory 2,432]

What I asked for is a Pro statement for each candidate in the perspective of this forum. What I got is

 

Reasons to vote for Biden 0

Reasons to vote for Trump 0

 

 

[Neonred 3,551]

10 hours ago, CanAm1980 said:

This is not a thread for attacks on these men. 

 

 

What I want to know, how will it help me to choose one or the other? Where should my vote go to help me, my family, community and nation?

 

What are the Pros of electing Donald Trump?

What are the Pros of electing Joe Biden?

If you are none of the above, how should I spend my vote? Or stay at home?

You live in Washington state, correct?  You might as well stay at home.  You already know which way your state is going.

 

If you do vote, vote for Joe.

He has promised to raise your taxes.

He has promised to give free healthcare to illegals.

He has promised reparations for blacks because of slavery.

Edited August 24, 2020 by Neonred

[Steeleballz 7,550]

2 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Biden exhibits objective signs of dementia or senility and refuses to take a cognitive-ability test. 

 

    Can't they manage it like they did with Reagan?