Recognition of Fiancés Divorce

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7 minutes ago, flicks1998 said:

This is a controversial process that I dont necessarily agree with.  What you say is correct in the sense that many employers cut their employees just before 6 months because they then need to pay benefits.  This tends to be for lower skilled jobs and its a practice because of the bad apples who are in the minority hurting the good apples who just want to do an honest job.  The company I worked at and most foreign companies in the Philippines do not practice this.  We put people on a 6 months probation when hired but I can only remember a few we didnt extend to regular employees and the few we cut, were just awful at their jobs.  Because we were in a high stress industry, most would just leave within a few months anyway and find a less stressful job.  If your a customer in a retail setting, most of the time you ask a question or ask where something is, the employees would not know and thats because they are recycling employees in and out and thats one of the things that hurts customer service in the Philippines and related to this 6 month probation period.  SM is notorious for cutting people at the 6 month mark.  

 

Any workplace issue between management and employees typically goes through DOLE before any courts.  DOLE needs to hear the grievance first.  Of all of the government organizations in the Philippines, DOLE is probably one of the most professionally run departments and is extremely pro-foreigner.  Any foreigner manager who tries to enforce the rules of the company will have a grievance filed against them from a disgruntled employee.  I had a few, my MD had a bunch, every expat I know had some grievance.  Filipinos dont necessarily like reporting to foreigners.  However its a simple process to manage.  Make sure all your discipline is in writing and always include your HR department when disciplining a local as a foreigner.  Always!!  If there is no HR you need another witness to sit in the meeting.  Always!!  The first thing a Filipino will do to a foreign manager who disciplines them is go after their work status.  As long as your legally employed (part of my job involved working with Immigration ) and you document the discipline you are doing to the employee, youll be perfectly fine.  DOLE doesnt put up with BS.  Your American friends should have complained to DOLE as they would have got a different response, as long as they are legally employed and their business has all of the correct permits.  Many foreigners who do work in the Philippines are not doing so legally and if thats the case, better not get DOLE into the case as its an instant blacklisting from Immigration. 

 

If your talking about the regular courts in the Philippines, then yes, a foreigner will never or hardly ever win, but again DOLE should be the go to organization for employee related affairs. 

Good Information . I learned something today

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1 hour ago, flicks1998 said:

This is a controversial process that I dont necessarily agree with.  What you say is correct in the sense that many employers cut their employees just before 6 months because they then need to pay benefits.  This tends to be for lower skilled jobs and its a practice because of the bad apples who are in the minority hurting the good apples who just want to do an honest job.  The company I worked at and most foreign companies in the Philippines do not practice this.  We put people on a 6 months probation when hired but I can only remember a few we didnt extend to regular employees and the few we cut, were just awful at their jobs.  Because we were in a high stress industry, most would just leave within a few months anyway and find a less stressful job.  If your a customer in a retail setting, most of the time you ask a question or ask where something is, the employees would not know and thats because they are recycling employees in and out and thats one of the things that hurts customer service in the Philippines and related to this 6 month probation period.  SM is notorious for cutting people at the 6 month mark.  

 

Any workplace issue between management and employees typically goes through DOLE before any courts.  DOLE needs to hear the grievance first.  Of all of the government organizations in the Philippines, DOLE is probably one of the most professionally run departments and is extremely pro-foreigner.  Any foreigner manager who tries to enforce the rules of the company will have a grievance filed against them from a disgruntled employee.  I had a few, my MD had a bunch, every expat I know had some grievance.  Filipinos dont necessarily like reporting to foreigners.  However its a simple process to manage.  Make sure all your discipline is in writing and always include your HR department when disciplining a local as a foreigner.  Always!!  If there is no HR you need another witness to sit in the meeting.  Always!!  The first thing a Filipino will do to a foreign manager who disciplines them is go after their work status.  As long as your legally employed (part of my job involved working with Immigration ) and you document the discipline you are doing to the employee, youll be perfectly fine.  DOLE doesnt put up with BS.  Your American friends should have complained to DOLE as they would have got a different response, as long as they are legally employed and their business has all of the correct permits.  Many foreigners who do work in the Philippines are not doing so legally and if thats the case, better not get DOLE into the case as its an instant blacklisting from Immigration. 

 

If your talking about the regular courts in the Philippines, then yes, a foreigner will never or hardly ever win, but again DOLE should be the go to organization for employee related affairs. 

Yes, these people owned a couple restaurants and other shops at the heart of Boracay. Thus by profession there is high turnover on average. Thank you for your input

Edited August 18, 2020 by Cyberfx1024

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1 hour ago, Allovertheworld said:

Good Information . I learned something today

This is where, though, if peoples fiance's or spouses are coming to the US and eventually looking to find a job, they need to understand how these work experiences look to an American employer.  Most Filipinos at some point of their working career will have had a job where they just got cut after 6 months as it does get harder to let them go afterwards (up to 12-13 different warnings could be needed).  However American employers tend to look at jobs held for a short period as a negative or if there are gaps in employment which alot of Filipinos do have.  Most US Employers will ask why someone was with a company for such as short period and to explain employment gaps.  This is where the Filipino in the US needs to clearly explain why.  Some may just say "Well the company let me go after 6 months because thats normal" and the US Employer will not understand this at all.  The fiance/spouse needs to tell the person in the interview the real reason behind the 6 month jobs and to put context around it.  If they tell the US Employer that in the Philippines companies tend to let workers go after 6 months to avoid paying benefits, etc, it adds a whole new dynamic to the interview and also increases the chances the Filipino will get the job they are applying for.  These are things that we need to assist our fiance/spouse with when they reach the US in order for them to be given a fair chance in an interview.  

Edited August 18, 2020 by flicks1998

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On 8/14/2020 at 1:31 PM, John & Rose said:

Is that the first time you used Do Do since me?  LOL

 

I saw him use it the other day on someone, too))))