UK posts being made invisible

[LaL 418]

Why don't you poll whether people prefer locking or, um, "invisiblizing"? I personally prefer locking so I can see what happened. Flame wars can always be stopped with a lock, but posts disappearing disturbs normal conversation and leads to resentment no matter how accustomed people get to it.

Actually what I have never understood is then need to keep forums conflict-free. Everyone is an adult, but many adults are really immature, and most of us act in a less-than-becoming fashion once in awhile, and there are bound to be flamewars now and again. If they're not allowed to dominate a board, I see no issue. So, I can see the value in locking things, but making posts invisible to AVOID a conflict that hasn't occurred yet fails to give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they just might be civil.

Good points Alex. Conversely one might think an inflammatory remark could disrupt the natural flow of conversation as well. Likewise when conflict is occurring, one side might see the mod reaction as deficient (as Dev pointed out I suggested people to stop bickering a half an hour into it.) Some people may think a 1/2 an hour is too heavy handed, some not soon enough. Point is, no one will be 100% happy with the decisions made, but we aim to please and keep the boards as positive as possible.

Keep the suggestions coming!

[KarenCee 3]

Wow. I noticed that my post offering my sympathy to H_A was removed. My post was genuine as was my sympathy for her and her situation and there was nothing at all to suggest that I was trying to inflame the situation further. So, remind me how my post was inflammatory?

[Mags 112]

Wow. I noticed that my post offering my sympathy to H_A was removed. My post was genuine as was my sympathy for her and her situation and there was nothing at all to suggest that I was trying to inflame the situation further. So, remind me how my post was inflammatory?

This one?

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...st&p=998178

[SteveLaura 0]

Keep the suggestions coming!

Obtain a hat, Laura. Works wonders.

[KarenCee 3]

Wow. I noticed that my post offering my sympathy to H_A was removed. My post was genuine as was my sympathy for her and her situation and there was nothing at all to suggest that I was trying to inflame the situation further. So, remind me how my post was inflammatory?

This one?

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...st&p=998178

Yup. My sincere apologies Mags. Not trying to start anything...really. I didn't look beyond the first page of posts. My bad.

[LaL 418]

Keep the suggestions coming!

Obtain a hat, Laura. Works wonders.

THAT is up to charles he is the hat supplier!

[Mags 112]

Wow. I noticed that my post offering my sympathy to H_A was removed. My post was genuine as was my sympathy for her and her situation and there was nothing at all to suggest that I was trying to inflame the situation further. So, remind me how my post was inflammatory?

This one?

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...st&p=998178

Yup. My sincere apologies Mags. Not trying to start anything...really. I didn't look beyond the first page of posts. My bad.

You just had me puzzled is all, I remembered your post and thinking that there was no reason for it being removed!

Keep the suggestions coming!

Obtain a hat, Laura. Works wonders.

THAT is up to charles he is the hat supplier!

Actually, mawilson gave me the hat. Charles pimped it up for me!

[JoeCanuk 3]

Wow. I noticed that my post offering my sympathy to H_A was removed. My post was genuine as was my sympathy for her and her situation and there was nothing at all to suggest that I was trying to inflame the situation further. So, remind me how my post was inflammatory?

This one?

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...st&p=998178

Yup. My sincere apologies Mags. Not trying to start anything...really. I didn't look beyond the first page of posts. My bad.

You just had me puzzled is all, I remembered your post and thinking that there was no reason for it being removed!

Keep the suggestions coming!

Obtain a hat, Laura. Works wonders.

THAT is up to charles he is the hat supplier!

Actually, mawilson gave me the hat. Charles pimped it up for me!

I had to save that cat pic to my computer.

[mybackpages 0]

I've been accused of being biased towards H_A before, which is total rubbish. However, perhaps I am simply more sympathetic to her current plight. She has just been told that her husband is leaving her. Her emotions are raw. She is going to vent and she is going to sound angry.

I'm going to give her a little leeway because of that. Crucify me if you must.

The rest of VJ however (who are not in similar situations) are not hurting, venting or feeling raw, not to the same extent. A little sympathy wouldn't go amiss and if you CAN'T feel sympathy then I request that you just stay away from her thread. Simple.

There was no need for many of the comments that were said, it did seem to me that the whole situation was used as an opportunity to get in little digs. That makes me incredibly sad. Sad that there are people around who will use some one else's utter devastation to have a go.

Being fair does not always mean treating all equally, sometimes being fair is balancing out the situation in front of you. I can see Mags point about giving HA a little leeway in this particular situation. HA has said things to me that were not pleasant. In those threads, I would expect Mags or the Mods to treat us equally. I think Mags made a tough but fair judgement in this specific case.

[rebeccajo 14]

Wow.

A lot of stuff happens when you are out trying to keep your real estate deal from falling apart plus trying to land a new job on the same day.

I think Y, mags and lal are doing a pretty decent job of the thankless task they've been asked to do. Moderating this community has got to be a lot like herding cats. It'd be unfair to personally criticize any of them given the rowdy bunch of hooligans that comprise VJ.

But I guess it doesn't hurt to ask the hooligans what we think of the system, now that it's in place.

I'm not for making posts invisible. Or for splitting posts out of threads. Both are unnatural to the way real life conversation and learning occur. So that's my take on that part of moderation.

Mods moving around as invisible - what's wrong with that? Didn't your mother do that to you? Did it kill you? Or did it keep you from acting like a little curtain climber? I'm using the analogy of a child because that's the kind of behavior (IMO) that is causing problems in this community - both in the past and in the present.

We are supposed to be adults here. Yeah, a lot of the people on this board are wired up because they are separated from their SO or caught up in some other bureaucratic paperwork snafu. Guess what? SO WHAT! That's life folks. We are here to help you through it, but we aren't here to wipe your nose over it. We can support each other and love each other without enabling each other on a bad immigration day. That means I'm not going to sit here and help somebody feel better about themselves on their bad day at the expense of others. If you are acting like a bratty potty child, and generally spoiling the learning atmosphere of this community by asking over and over again for your cookie, you aren't getting my sympathy. You might still get my love, but you'll get it with a reminder to grow up and put your big-people pants on.

Sooooooooooooooooo, why the ramble? Because IMO moderation around here should be more about dealing with adults as children when they are acting like it. If they don't want to be big people and take responsibility for the words flying out of their mouths, then they need to be given a timeout, or they need to be grounded, or they need expelled.

I'd rather see the schoolyard bullies dealt with as the immature troublemakers they are, than see censorship or re-direction of the conversation of mature adults.

My 2 cents. Take it or leave it. Have a lovely day. Elvis has left the building.

[John & Annie 0]

I say jsut show them for the bullies they are and they will stop getting the responses that feed them.

Then they will find another site that will allow them to roam and instigate.

In other words, lock the thread, but keep it visible for all to see just what kind if idiot they are

[JoeCanuk 3]

Wow.

A lot of stuff happens when you are out trying to keep your real estate deal from falling apart plus trying to land a new job on the same day.

I think Y, mags and lal are doing a pretty decent job of the thankless task they've been asked to do. Moderating this community has got to be a lot like herding cats. It'd be unfair to personally criticize any of them given the rowdy bunch of hooligans that comprise VJ.

But I guess it doesn't hurt to ask the hooligans what we think of the system, now that it's in place.

I'm not for making posts invisible. Or for splitting posts out of threads. Both are unnatural to the way real life conversation and learning occur. So that's my take on that part of moderation.

Mods moving around as invisible - what's wrong with that? Didn't your mother do that to you? Did it kill you? Or did it keep you from acting like a little curtain climber? I'm using the analogy of a child because that's the kind of behavior (IMO) that is causing problems in this community - both in the past and in the present.

We are supposed to be adults here. Yeah, a lot of the people on this board are wired up because they are separated from their SO or caught up in some other bureaucratic paperwork snafu. Guess what? SO WHAT! That's life folks. We are here to help you through it, but we aren't here to wipe your nose over it. We can support each other and love each other without enabling each other on a bad immigration day. That means I'm not going to sit here and help somebody feel better about themselves on their bad day at the expense of others. If you are acting like a bratty potty child, and generally spoiling the learning atmosphere of this community by asking over and over again for your cookie, you aren't getting my sympathy. You might still get my love, but you'll get it with a reminder to grow up and put your big-people pants on.

Sooooooooooooooooo, why the ramble? Because IMO moderation around here should be more about dealing with adults as children when they are acting like it. If they don't want to be big people and take responsibility for the words flying out of their mouths, then they need to be given a timeout, or they need to be grounded, or they need expelled.

I'd rather see the schoolyard bullies dealt with as the immature troublemakers they are, than see censorship or re-direction of the conversation of mature adults.

My 2 cents. Take it or leave it. Have a lovely day. Elvis has left the building.

"I'd rather see the schoolyard bullies dealt with as the immature troublemakers they are, than see censorship or re-direction of the conversation of mature adults."

I agree with much of your post. However, I wanted to comment on your statement that I quoted. Too often on message boards roles are mixed up. The new person is the school yard bully and the person who has been around for a while is the 'mature adult'. Whether or not that is even the case, that is the way it is perceived. There has to be a standard for deciding who are mature adults and who are schoolyard bullies.

[Lansbury 19]

My 2 cents as to moderation.

It is an adult board and if you post for advice or just a personal problem you cannot expect everyone to reply the way you might like. Sometimes a good kick up the rear end is as useful as a bucket load of sympathy and moderation should bear that in mind. If you post in public for all to see you must accept all opinions posted in reply.

It should also bear in mind the style of the poster on the receiving end. In this instance the person on the receiving end posts in a somewhat blunt manner and says what they feel. Good for them I like that style I do the same but I appreciate comments direct back in the same style if constructive even if critical, it should make you think. If you dish it out you have to take it and that isn't a cause for moderation.

On a board I help moderate no one moderator can remove, delete or block a post it takes two and gives greater consistency and stops spur of the moment action. Rarely is a post treated in such a manner.

Edited June 22, 2007 by Lansbury

[JoeCanuk 3]

Sometimes a good kick up the rear end is as useful as a bucket load of sympathy and moderation should bear that in mind. If you post in public for all to see you must accept all opinions posted in reply.

I agree. I wonder why I'm not allowed to be that one giving the "kick up the rear end" though. lol

[Ban Hammer 13,282]

I vote for a mod empeachment!

lol always remember they can make you invisible too

now why did i just now find this thread?