UK posts being made invisible

[Mags 112]

TO EVERYONE: Stay on topic and lets make this a constructive conversation. If you want a side bar take it to PM please. No attcking each other, no digging up the past. This post was doing great and getting some constructive new ideas so lets keep it on topic please .

Seriously, this is what I'm talking about. The ADMIN & mods are in this topic, yet Joe has been allowed to go on & on & insult?

He did three posts in the space of about 5 minutes. We are not superhuman, we do not have the ability to type at 2000 wpm! I'm not sitting here monitoring this thread.

You are all for leaving posts visible. Are you now saying that you feel these posts SHOULD be made invisible?

Capn replied twice about it during that time, yet nothing has happened.

That's not what I asked you, D. I asked you about your opinion regarding the posts and making them invisible.

[JoeCanuk 3]

example on how NOT to act on a thread so a flame war doesnt start i nominate the behavior of JoeCanuk

Well this was pointless. Newsflash: the war was already going on. All I did was come in and say what devilette needed to be told. She then went on to lie about me and ignore the mods.

Try not to get so personal next time m'kay.

It has everything to do with it.

Sigh. No it doesn't. You're reading meaning into the word censorship that doesn't exist. If you don't see that, then fair enough I tried to explain it to you.

Sigh. And I tried to explain it to you. We just disagree. That is allowed you know.

[Captain Ewok 1,891]

It's not censorship when you don't have the right to say what you want in the first place. You prove it with your last sentence. Even though I did nothing wrong. And I'll repeat what someone else said on the first page of this thread: The OP was inflammatory...along with being pointless.

censorship |ˈsensərˌ sh ip|

noun

the practice of officially examining books, movies, etc., and suppressing unacceptable parts : details of the visit were subject to military censorship.

Censorship has nothing to do with if you had the right to say something in the first place. If you post something, and someone removes it, its censorship. Plain and simple. You don't seem to understand this, and appear to be mixing up censorship with "The right to Free Speech". Nobody has the right to free speech here, as anything can be censored.

No more warnings to stay on topic please. I do not use the invisible button much but this will be one of those cases -- thanks.

[chri'stina 190]

I guess I just don't understand what the big deal is about a censored post, really.

I would have said the same thing before it happened to me! I just don't think it's fair that in the past, one thread always sticks out in my mind-the one where I told everyone what happened at our interview and instead of getting support literally it was like a gang attack-and other more recent situations where people are getting away with saying things that are downright HATEFUL and cruel, and I can't speak my mind the one time when I decide to do so...it pretty much sucks.

I completely understand what you mean, and by the way, I did think that you had a right to the statement that you made, as I told Ewok. The problem, for me, is consistency, not censorship. I think if deleting posts were a *more* regular occurrence, people would just get used to it.

*runs and hides*

Thanks, and I think you're probably right. We would get used to it. Only thing I would like to see is that policy to be applied equally and fairly. I feel like it will be difficult to make that happen.

I agree it should be applied equally. I think though that while VJ is a great place, only recently is there more mods added to be able to tackle several issues at once. I think if your situation happened these days, there would have been a different outcome b/c there is more mod interaction.

[Captain Ewok 1,891]

example on how NOT to act on a thread so a flame war doesnt start i nominate the behavior of JoeCanuk

Well this was pointless. Newsflash: the war was already going on. All I did was come in and say what devilette needed to be told. She then went on to lie about me and ignore the mods.

Try not to get so personal next time m'kay.

It has everything to do with it.

Sigh. No it doesn't. You're reading meaning into the word censorship that doesn't exist. If you don't see that, then fair enough I tried to explain it to you.

Sigh. And I tried to explain it to you. We just disagree. That is allowed you know.

Take it to PM. On topic now. No final comments. Please pretend you read this -- thank you .

[Marilyn. 340]

I guess I just don't understand what the big deal is about a censored post, really.

I would have said the same thing before it happened to me! I just don't think it's fair that in the past, one thread always sticks out in my mind-the one where I told everyone what happened at our interview and instead of getting support literally it was like a gang attack-and other more recent situations where people are getting away with saying things that are downright HATEFUL and cruel, and I can't speak my mind the one time when I decide to do so...it pretty much sucks.

I completely understand what you mean, and by the way, I did think that you had a right to the statement that you made, as I told Ewok. The problem, for me, is consistency, not censorship. I think if deleting posts were a *more* regular occurrence, people would just get used to it.

*runs and hides*

Thanks, and I think you're probably right. We would get used to it. Only thing I would like to see is that policy to be applied equally and fairly. I feel like it will be difficult to make that happen.

I agree it should be applied equally. I think though that while VJ is a great place, only recently is there more mods added to be able to tackle several issues at once. I think if your situation happened these days, there would have been a different outcome b/c there is more mod interaction.

that is what I wanted to say... things are a bit different these days, in reference to moderation...

[no name 1]

He did three posts in the space of about 5 minutes. We are not superhuman, we do not have the ability to type at 2000 wpm! I'm not sitting here monitoring this thread.

You are all for leaving posts visible. Are you now saying that you feel these posts SHOULD be made invisible?

Capn replied twice about it during that time, yet nothing has happened.

That's not what I asked you, D. I asked you about your opinion regarding the posts and making them invisible.

I replied to that part of your post. I'm for moderation (get your hat out), not invisbility. Or you could split this thread.

[JoeCanuk 3]

example on how NOT to act on a thread so a flame war doesnt start i nominate the behavior of JoeCanuk

Well this was pointless. Newsflash: the war was already going on. All I did was come in and say what devilette needed to be told. She then went on to lie about me and ignore the mods.

Try not to get so personal next time m'kay.

It has everything to do with it.

Sigh. No it doesn't. You're reading meaning into the word censorship that doesn't exist. If you don't see that, then fair enough I tried to explain it to you.

Sigh. And I tried to explain it to you. We just disagree. That is allowed you know.

Take it to PM. On topic now. No final comments. Please pretend you read this -- thank you .

No pretending about it. I read it.

[*julez* 124]

Going forward, I'd like to see:

- invisibility as last result. It is big brother & unneccessary unless racist, threatening, etc.

- warnings to chill out

- consistency in which posts get censored

- less bias

-If a threadmust be name changed, say why. This thread had no business being renamed, or moved.

I do appreciate your work, mods!

I have to say, devilette, I agree with this post entirely!

I know! No one was more surprised than me!!!!! Maybe we should take this opportunity to kiss and make up!

[Traviesa 0]

I guess I just don't understand what the big deal is about a censored post, really.

I would have said the same thing before it happened to me! I just don't think it's fair that in the past, one thread always sticks out in my mind-the one where I told everyone what happened at our interview and instead of getting support literally it was like a gang attack-and other more recent situations where people are getting away with saying things that are downright HATEFUL and cruel, and I can't speak my mind the one time when I decide to do so...it pretty much sucks.

I completely understand what you mean, and by the way, I did think that you had a right to the statement that you made, as I told Ewok. The problem, for me, is consistency, not censorship. I think if deleting posts were a *more* regular occurrence, people would just get used to it.

*runs and hides*

Thanks, and I think you're probably right. We would get used to it. Only thing I would like to see is that policy to be applied equally and fairly. I feel like it will be difficult to make that happen.

I agree it should be applied equally. I think though that while VJ is a great place, only recently is there more mods added to be able to tackle several issues at once. I think if your situation happened these days, there would have been a different outcome b/c there is more mod interaction.

that is what I wanted to say... things are a bit different these days, in reference to moderation...

I agree to a certain extent. Except that one of our current mods was part of that particular bandwagon, but you guys are right-that was a long time ago. Much has changed.

[Alex+R 0]

Why don't you poll whether people prefer locking or, um, "invisiblizing"? I personally prefer locking so I can see what happened. Flame wars can always be stopped with a lock, but posts disappearing disturbs normal conversation and leads to resentment no matter how accustomed people get to it.

Actually what I have never understood is then need to keep forums conflict-free. Everyone is an adult, but many adults are really immature, and most of us act in a less-than-becoming fashion once in awhile, and there are bound to be flamewars now and again. If they're not allowed to dominate a board, I see no issue. So, I can see the value in locking things, but making posts invisible to AVOID a conflict that hasn't occurred yet fails to give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they just might be civil.

Edited June 22, 2007 by Alex+R

[JoeCanuk 3]

Going forward, I'd like to see:

- invisibility as last result. It is big brother & unneccessary unless racist, threatening, etc.

- warnings to chill out

- consistency in which posts get censored

- less bias

-If a threadmust be name changed, say why. This thread had no business being renamed, or moved.

I do appreciate your work, mods!

I have to say, devilette, I agree with this post entirely!

I know! No one was more surprised than me!!!!! Maybe we should take this opportunity to kiss and make up!

Let's get back on topic.

Why don't you poll whether people prefer locking or, um, "invisiblizing"? I personally prefer locking so I can see what happened. Flame wars can always be stopped with a lock, but posts disappearing disturbs normal conversation and leads to resentment no matter how accustomed people get to it.

Actually what I have never understood is then need to keep forums conflict-free. Everyone is an adult, but many adults are really immature, and most of us act in a less-than-becoming fashion once in awhile, and there are bound to be flamewars now and again. If they're not allowed to dominate a board, I see no issue.

Especially when you can just put someone on ignore eh?

[Dr_LHA 3]

No more warnings to stay on topic please. I do not use the invisible button much but this will be one of those cases -- thanks.

My apologies.

[Mags 112]

He did three posts in the space of about 5 minutes. We are not superhuman, we do not have the ability to type at 2000 wpm! I'm not sitting here monitoring this thread.

You are all for leaving posts visible. Are you now saying that you feel these posts SHOULD be made invisible?

Capn replied twice about it during that time, yet nothing has happened.

That's not what I asked you, D. I asked you about your opinion regarding the posts and making them invisible.

I replied to that part of your post. I'm for moderation (get your hat out), not invisbility. Or you could split this thread.

Thanks for the clarification.

[Sinergy 3]

Why don't you poll whether people prefer locking or, um, "invisiblizing"? I personally prefer locking so I can see what happened. Flame wars can always be stopped with a lock, but posts disappearing disturbs normal conversation and leads to resentment no matter how accustomed people get to it.

Actually what I have never understood is then need to keep forums conflict-free. Everyone is an adult, but many adults are really immature, and most of us act in a less-than-becoming fashion once in awhile, and there are bound to be flamewars now and again. If they're not allowed to dominate a board, I see no issue. So, I can see the value in locking things, but making posts invisible to AVOID a conflict that hasn't occurred yet fails to give people the benefit of the doubt and assume they just might be civil.

you are 100000000000% correct