UK posts being made invisible

[john_and_marlene 162]

I have read for an hour, and feel like I just read a book with a sh*tty ending. Ya know the ones that leave you hanging and you never get an answer?

Yep.

And I've asked to have it closed (at least 3x), as it serves no purpose, but apparently OPs can't always get their own thread closed.

Maybe your requests were made invisible. I still like the impeachment idea, but apparently noone took it seriously.

[Fandango 1,439]

I have read for an hour, and feel like I just read a book with a sh*tty ending. Ya know the ones that leave you hanging and you never get an answer?

Yep.

And I've asked to have it closed (at least 3x), as it serves no purpose, but apparently OPs can't always get their own thread closed.

What were you looking for?

[no name 1]

I have read for an hour, and feel like I just read a book with a sh*tty ending. Ya know the ones that leave you hanging and you never get an answer?

Yep.

And I've asked to have it closed (at least 3x), as it serves no purpose, but apparently OPs can't always get their own thread closed.

What were you looking for?

From back on page 13, not to mention several PMs.

This thread started as a question about censoring. Many of my initial questions to the mods who censored me & others - got ignored, in lieu of hat discussion, I think. The Capn tried to bring it around to new suggestions & that has failed. Please close this thread as it serves no purpose.

This thread has gone way off topic, many times, and the initial questions were never answered. It became a discussion of hat color & snarkiness.

Under the new Big Brother rules, apparently mods will never be held accountable for their actions. So really, why keep it open (since it was a thread about why did these things happen)?

Edited June 25, 2007 by devilette

[LaL 418]

I have read for an hour, and feel like I just read a book with a sh*tty ending. Ya know the ones that leave you hanging and you never get an answer?

Yep.

And I've asked to have it closed (at least 3x), as it serves no purpose, but apparently OPs can't always get their own thread closed.

the thread was already closed yesterday when I received your request. Later when I checked in, it was reopened in the hope to revive the suggestions conversation. I agree that if there are items to discuss and suggestions to be made this thread has much value.

I am kinda seeing it as we want to talk about it openly and closing the thread only acts as stifling the possible suggestions for us to incorporate in the tools we use to keep the peace.

[no name 1]

the thread was already closed yesterday when I received your request. Later when I checked in, it was reopened in the hope to revive the suggestions conversation. I agree that if there are items to discuss and suggestions to be made this thread has much value.

I am kinda seeing it as we want to talk about it openly and closing the thread only acts as stifling the possible suggestions for us to incorporate in the tools we use to keep the peace.

I thought it was closed too. Apparently it was on a temporary LOCKDOWN. To be opened at again at a whim.

So why not close this snarky one & start a new one?

[Fandango 1,439]

From back on page 13, not to mention several PMs.

This thread started as a question about censoring. Many of my initial questions to the mods who censored me & others - got ignored, in lieu of hat discussion, I think. The Capn tried to bring it around to new suggestions & that has failed. Please close this thread as it serves no purpose.

This thread has gone way off topic, many times, and the initial questions were never answered. It became a discussion of hat color & snarkiness.

Under the new Big Brother rules, apparently mods will never be held accountable for their actions. So really, why keep it open (since it was a thread about why did these things happen)?

The hat discussion, I feel, added levity to a hot-button topic. However, this thread has gotten back on topic imo. People have been discussing the 'censorship' angle, and Mags has answered many times as to the mods' role and capabilities.

I don't see how this thread on the whole isn't answering your questions.

[no name 1]

The hat discussion, I feel, added levity to a hot-button topic.

Your opinion, of course. Some might say that is a thread going O/T.

I don't see how this thread on the whole isn't answering your questions.

Selective answering is occurring (& this is only the first 4 pages)...

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[TracyTN 237]

So I say its raining heavily, someone else says its pouring. Can we argue about that too!!??? :D :energetic:

Edited June 25, 2007 by TracyTN

[Yodrak 7]

devilette,

Further, as I've already explained to you, see Captain Ewok's posts on page 2 and subsequently. He participated in the thread and even when the going got very rough opted to keep the thread open.

It seems to me that the thread is back on track, and this current discussion as to why it isn't closed is also relevant to the basic issue that you raised in your original post. So as long as there are opinions to be voiced, and the discussion remains civil, there is value to keeping the thread open.

Yodrak

Yep.

And I've asked to have it closed (at least 3x), as it serves no purpose, but apparently OPs can't always get their own thread closed.

the thread was already closed yesterday when I received your request. Later when I checked in, it was reopened in the hope to revive the suggestions conversation. I agree that if there are items to discuss and suggestions to be made this thread has much value.

I am kinda seeing it as we want to talk about it openly and closing the thread only acts as stifling the possible suggestions for us to incorporate in the tools we use to keep the peace.

[Marilyn. 340]

I cannot believe this conversation is still going on. Ironic that I'm now adding to it & bumping it, but eh whaddya gonna do?

The mods have not gone power crazy like some of the organizers did.

I said it before and I'll say it again....before there were mods and 'named' organizers...I thought things were just fine. Noooooooo, everyone wanted mods. Well now we got em, so now we have to deal. This is not a democracy per se in the respect of the mods being our elected officials...yes, they can certainly take suggestions, but afaik, the only accountability they really hold is toward Ewok.

Everyone is free to voice their concerns, but we are just regurgitating the same stuff here. In the instance of this particular scenario, the moderating was justified (what I saw of it beforehand). I don't like this place being moderated cos I'd much rather see the snide & smug comments and who said them. But the ppl E chose aren't bad at all. It's a thankless task requiring lots of time...I for one would never ever ever everrrrrr take on such a task as a volunteer...so instead of givin them sh!t, think about all they do here.

Invisible, deleted...who flippin cares really. But as far as mods making em invis and E deleting them...the problem everyone seems to have is actually with E since the perma-invis decision is his, not the mods'.

I just wanted to mention that no one complained about the organizers until the titles were put under our names.... the organizers had been around for about a year before the titles were added...

[Widge 0]

You're right, in that I don't really care what happens on VJ - until it affects my own life. When Mags has to spend extra time online due to cretinous ingrates causing problems, that affects me. Otherwise though, I don't care at all what happens here or to whom.

I actually find this an "amusing" post as it actually lies at the heart of the problems of the last week(s). People often post comments that to themselves appear innocuous (I actually found nothing out of line with the comments made in the "divorce" thread last week, unless there was a "sympathy only agree with poor me" disclaimer by the OP then comments made by those who did raise perfectly valid comments were totally inoffensive if taken as they were written) but the OP who had leapt on other posters often in other threads over months on this occasion had her own life affected and somehow adverse comments (in their eyes) were enough to start a slanging match/poor me shut my thread not everyone agrees with me degeneration.

Secondly when all else fails online (as perhaps too often in real life) the whole situation degenerates into name calling. To refer to people as "cretinous ingrates" is I find personally as I read pretty offensive but then who am I to say.

I'm sure the mods all do a grand job for no reward, such is life. Everyone will always have different views (thank god for diversity) like I said i didn't see anything wrong with the threads that were locked last week but not my call, I just get suspicious when OP's can open threads that everyone knows will never have replies that are all in sympathy/agreement and then say close it cos everyone isn't being nice to me! This is the internet where we are all anonymous and require slightly thicker skins than in real life such is the nature of the beast - which would lead me to suggest than instead of just an OP asking and getting a thrad closed there might have to be a certain number of requests required . Plus a disclaimer somewhere that people post at their own discretion and not all replies may be what you want to hear!

VJ is great place for the masses not for a few posters to adopt their own rules of behaviour.

[TimsDaisy 0]

From reading the entire thread, I think the most appropriate, on-target, relevant post is this one: http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...t&p=1003072

[Captain Ewok 1,891]

To improve consistency and quality of moderation I have implemented a feature to let the mods collaborate before making moderation decisions when possible. This will also allow us to get group opinions in advance of things getting out of control thus allowing better consistency and more uniform moderation. Nothing will be perfect but I think that the good ideas in this forum are helpful in making it better .

[Fandango 1,439]

I cannot believe this conversation is still going on. Ironic that I'm now adding to it & bumping it, but eh whaddya gonna do?

The mods have not gone power crazy like some of the organizers did.

I said it before and I'll say it again....before there were mods and 'named' organizers...I thought things were just fine. Noooooooo, everyone wanted mods. Well now we got em, so now we have to deal. This is not a democracy per se in the respect of the mods being our elected officials...yes, they can certainly take suggestions, but afaik, the only accountability they really hold is toward Ewok.

Everyone is free to voice their concerns, but we are just regurgitating the same stuff here. In the instance of this particular scenario, the moderating was justified (what I saw of it beforehand). I don't like this place being moderated cos I'd much rather see the snide & smug comments and who said them. But the ppl E chose aren't bad at all. It's a thankless task requiring lots of time...I for one would never ever ever everrrrrr take on such a task as a volunteer...so instead of givin them sh!t, think about all they do here.

Invisible, deleted...who flippin cares really. But as far as mods making em invis and E deleting them...the problem everyone seems to have is actually with E since the perma-invis decision is his, not the mods'.

I just wanted to mention that no one complained about the organizers until the titles were put under our names.... the organizers had been around for about a year before the titles were added...

I know that....which is why I highlighted the pertinent word re: the organizers. I always knew ppl had organizing ability...never thought they were literally called 'organizers' (which was my question you answered in that sticky thread).....but the issues didn't become noticeable (to me) until the titles were handed out.

[Marilyn. 340]

I cannot believe this conversation is still going on. Ironic that I'm now adding to it & bumping it, but eh whaddya gonna do?

The mods have not gone power crazy like some of the organizers did.

I said it before and I'll say it again....before there were mods and 'named' organizers...I thought things were just fine. Noooooooo, everyone wanted mods. Well now we got em, so now we have to deal. This is not a democracy per se in the respect of the mods being our elected officials...yes, they can certainly take suggestions, but afaik, the only accountability they really hold is toward Ewok.

Everyone is free to voice their concerns, but we are just regurgitating the same stuff here. In the instance of this particular scenario, the moderating was justified (what I saw of it beforehand). I don't like this place being moderated cos I'd much rather see the snide & smug comments and who said them. But the ppl E chose aren't bad at all. It's a thankless task requiring lots of time...I for one would never ever ever everrrrrr take on such a task as a volunteer...so instead of givin them sh!t, think about all they do here.

Invisible, deleted...who flippin cares really. But as far as mods making em invis and E deleting them...the problem everyone seems to have is actually with E since the perma-invis decision is his, not the mods'.

I just wanted to mention that no one complained about the organizers until the titles were put under our names.... the organizers had been around for about a year before the titles were added...

I know that....which is why I highlighted the pertinent word re: the organizers. I always knew ppl had organizing ability...never thought they were literally called 'organizers' (which was my question you answered in that sticky thread).....but the issues didn't become noticeable (to me) until the titles were handed out.

yeah, I wasn't sure if you had read my post in that other thread

well the only ability us organizers have is to move threads.... so not sure how power crazy we could have gotten