Nationwide riot megathread

[Dashinka 24,505]

1 minute ago, Boiler said:

I wonder if these civil rights groups will be saying something about DC Protesters?

They already are.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/01/06/nba-players-coaches-capitol/

[Boiler 45,519]

1 minute ago, Dashinka said:

They already are.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/01/06/nba-players-coaches-capitol/

Odd

 

 What about - keep the city stuck on the same volatile trajectory, antagonizing protesters while failing to address their larger demands 

 

 

[Dashinka 24,505]

10 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Odd

 

 What about - keep the city stuck on the same volatile trajectory, antagonizing protesters while failing to address their larger demands 

 

 

Well, they are NBA players.  As usual, they will fly off on the handle and not wait until the justice systems works.  Also, for all those that absolutely hate "whataboutism", don't read the WaPo article.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

17 minutes ago, Boiler said:

Odd

 

 What about - keep the city stuck on the same volatile trajectory, antagonizing protesters while failing to address their larger demands 

 

 

Which include violence against journalists and coercively preventing them from reporting unfavorably about what these Marxists do in public, not to mention citing arrests that are publicly published on local law enforcement feeds.

 

Always worth listening to the things people say and the background of why they're doing what they do, even domestic terrorists. It just allows a more informed choice/reaction. On a rare occasion, there's something worth taking into consideration. We just know that it isn't the case here.

 

 

5 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Well, they are NBA players.  As usual, they will fly off on the handle and not wait until the justice systems works.  Also, for all those that absolutely hate "whataboutism", don't read the WaPo article.

I laughed when they threatened to cancel games. Cancel them all, please. Do it! 😃

Edited January 7, 2021 by Burnt Reynolds

[moxy 1,051]

6 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

There were obviously several-to-many nutballs.

There might've also been plants, a prospect not to be prematurely dismissed.

 

Per observed behavior at earlier rallies/marches, rioting and destruction are highly atypical of "real-people" Trump/MAGA supporters.  Many thousands remained outside, not rushing into the building.

 

Painting everyone with a broad brush correlates with stereotyping.

The vandals need to be identified and charged with their crimes.

 

LOL. Except for the excuse that there might have been plants (you didn't need plants, you had a terrorist leader inciting them to violence) I make this argument every time y'all go on about how BLM and Antifa are ALL criminals and thugs. I say it's fringe elements, the vast majority are peaceful demonstrators, and to stop using a broad brush. And you guys never buy it. So the next time you all go off on Antifa and BLM, I'll just send you to T-Bone.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

6 minutes ago, moxy said:

 

LOL. Except for the excuse that there might have been plants (you didn't need plants, you had a terrorist leader inciting them to violence) I make this argument every time y'all go on about how BLM and Antifa are ALL criminals and thugs. I say it's fringe elements, the vast majority are peaceful demonstrators, and to stop using a broad brush. And you guys never buy it. So the next time you all go off on Antifa and BLM, I'll just send you to T-Bone.

It's not "fringe" elements when you have an Antifa/BLM person just barely losing out on being mayor in one of these major cities.  Nor is it fringe when you have nearly all of these rioting Antifa/BLM people deliberately being let go after being arrested/booked (so they can tear stuff up again) and charges dropped later. The institutional support by governments in not punishing those setting fire to and trying to burn down buildings (with people inside them) and attacking others removes the "fringe" part, so you're free to send people wherever you like, it just won't do anything at all.

Edited January 7, 2021 by Burnt Reynolds

[moxy 1,051]

3 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

It's not "fringe" elements when you have an Antifa/BLM person just barely losing out on being mayor in one of these major cities.  Nor is it fringe when you have nearly all of these rioting Antifa/BLM people deliberately being let go after being arrested/booked (so they can tear stuff up again) and charges dropped later. The institutional support by governments in not punishing those setting fire to and trying to burn down buildings (with people inside them) and attacking others removes the "fringe" part, so you're free to send people wherever you like, it just won't do anything at all.

Yeah, there's always a reason. Always.

[Rick & Apple 233]

37 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

 

 

What do you mean by "pre planned show"?

 

The screenshot of the article you cite.. if you scroll down just a tad, you see an update..

 

 

 

If the theory was that it was posted beforehand, all you had to do was look at the archive of this very article, with an archival timestamp before the "breach", and you'd instead find that not only is the headline different but that breach isn't mentioned:

https://web.archive.org/web/20210106151127/https://www.npr.org/sections/congress-electoral-college-tally-live-updates/2021/01/06/953616207/diehard-trump-supporters-gather-in-the-nations-capital-to-protest-election-resul

 

 

 

People need to be skeptical of the things they read, even if it comes from people they agree with.

 

 

I am aware that stories are sometimes updated. Does that mean changing the title of the article and deleting the original text?

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

2 minutes ago, moxy said:

Yeah, there's always a reason. Always.

It might be time to start taking an honest and more consistent approach then.

 

1 minute ago, Rick & Apple said:

I am aware that stories are sometimes updated. Does that mean changing the title of the article and deleting the original text?

If the story substantively changes and is updated, it makes sense that the headline is too, doesn't it? And I mean, if they update the headline, why would they keep the prior one? I don't understand the issue now. Do you still believe what you originally posted even after what I showed you?

[moxy 1,051]

Just now, Burnt Reynolds said:

It might be time to start taking an honest and more consistent approach then.

Yeah. That was exactly the point of my post.

 

If your side is ALWAYS right, and the other side is ALWAYS wrong, check yourself.

[Rick & Apple 233]

4 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

It might be time to start taking an honest and more consistent approach then.

 

If the story substantively changes and is updated, it makes sense that the headline is too, doesn't it? And I mean, if they update the headline, why would they keep the prior one? I don't understand the issue now. Do you still believe what you originally posted even after what I showed you?

If they delete the original text of the story and change the headline, it should be posted as a different article.

 

Regardless, the whole "storming the Capitol" looks staged. Watch videos of the "protesters" being let through the barricades, then being led by one police officer up the stairs inside the building. 

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

1 minute ago, moxy said:

Yeah. That was exactly the point of my post.

 

If your side is ALWAYS right, and the other side is ALWAYS wrong, check yourself.

In order to make this hyperbolic "ALWAYS" assertion, you had to erase the other part of my post where I'm debating a fellow Trump supporter about being wrong. I hope you're doing this on purpose. 😂

 

 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

8 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

It might be time to start taking an honest and more consistent approach then.

 

If the story substantively changes and is updated, it makes sense that the headline is too, doesn't it? And I mean, if they update the headline, why would they keep the prior one? I don't understand the issue now. Do you still believe what you originally posted even after what I showed you?

There are recent happenings where papers did exactly this. Andrew Yang tweeted a story about McConnell then the paper changed the headline. Then Yang tweeted that they had changed the title after he tweeted it

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

4 minutes ago, Rick & Apple said:

If they delete the original text of the story and change the headline, it should be posted as a different article.

 

Regardless, the whole "storming the Capitol" looks staged. Watch videos of the "protesters" being let through the barricades, then being led by one police officer up the stairs inside the building. 

Well no, that person was covering that event, and it was simply an update to that event. It shouldn't be a different story just because new things happened. I don't know where you're getting this. Stories have always been updated and likewise the headlines to reflect it. For those who don't regularly refresh normal news.. have you not seen this in sports? It's really not that uncommon.

 

As far as it being staged.. when these people entered they clearly outnumbered the police by an absolutely insane amount, and the police were backing off. Where does one derive the conclusion that people were being led?

 

Just now, Cyberfx1024 said:

There are recent happenings where papers did exactly this. Andrew Yang tweeted a story about McConnell then the paper changed the headline. Then Yang tweeted that they had changed the title after he tweeted it

I don't know the context of this so I can't say. I mean, it can be deceptively done, of course. However, in this case, it clearly wasn't. The insinuation seemed to be that the news posted about the breach before the breach and therefore were part of "staging" it. Of course, that's unequivocally wrong.

[B_J 2,752]

Senators and congressmen who were against confirming the electoral college results did nothing wrong.  Those who supported the Texas lawsuit against the results did nothing wrong.  They did everything they could, legally, to fight against the results and many may disagree with them, but disagreement does not make what they did morally wrong.  Unless, of course, you believe that having a different opinion makes you evil.

 

Trump's behavior yesterday was different.  I listened to some of his speech in the car and I repeatedly thought, "What is he doing?  This will make things worse."  But, that was probably his intent.  What he did could be called morally wrong but that is far different than the others using every legal means available.

 

I also believe it is logical to compare what happened yesterday to what happened during the BLM riots.  Remember the riots in front of the White House where they set fire to a church?  Remember when Trump was mocked because he had to hide in the bunker?  The BLM rioters were not better behaved, it is simply that Trump was better protected.  Given the opportunity, they would have invaded the White House just like the Trump rioters invaded the capitol.  I can't understand how DC was so ill prepared for this.  

 

Just my opinion, but this is a result of our hyper-partisan society, untrustworthy media, corrupt politicians, and overall lack of civility to those with differing opinions.  For the next few years, Biden needs to govern in a practical, middle of the road manner, and it is time for the Joe Manchins of the the government to step up and be leaders.  Those on the extreme of either side, whether you are Cruz or AOC, should be low profile and let those in the middle try to bring this country together.  There's a chance that Biden may actually be the right man for this time.

 

Sadly, I think there are still too many who prefer this country be divided, as long as their side wins.