Trump signs memo preventing illegal immigrants from being counted in congressional redistricting

[Ban Hammer 13,716]

President Trump signed a memorandum that seeks to exclude illegal immigrants from being counted in the next round of congressional redistricting.

Redistricting occurs for state legislature seats and at the federal level for U.S. House districts, known as congressional apportionment. The memo would affect the latter.

Trump's memorandum, sent out by the White House Press Office on Tuesday, reads, "I have accordingly determined that respect for the law and protection of the integrity of the democratic process warrant the exclusion of illegal aliens from the apportionment base, to the extent feasible and to the maximum extent of the President's discretion under the law."

A senior Trump administration official told Reuters that the memo “is another decisive step toward fulfilling his solemn pledge to ensure only American citizens have congressional representation, not illegal aliens." The president signed the memo on Tuesday at 1:10 p.m. EDT in the Oval Office.

The memo is expected to face legal challenges in the court system. As it applies to congressional apportionment, the Constitution says, “Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State."

more at https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-signs-memo-preventing-illegal-immigrants-from-being-counted-in-congressional-redistricting

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,386]

1 hour ago, Ban Hammer said:

President Trump signed a memorandum that seeks to exclude illegal immigrants from being counted in the next round of congressional redistricting.

Redistricting occurs for state legislature seats and at the federal level for U.S. House districts, known as congressional apportionment. The memo would affect the latter.

Trump's memorandum, sent out by the White House Press Office on Tuesday, reads, "I have accordingly determined that respect for the law and protection of the integrity of the democratic process warrant the exclusion of illegal aliens from the apportionment base, to the extent feasible and to the maximum extent of the President's discretion under the law."

A senior Trump administration official told Reuters that the memo “is another decisive step toward fulfilling his solemn pledge to ensure only American citizens have congressional representation, not illegal aliens." The president signed the memo on Tuesday at 1:10 p.m. EDT in the Oval Office.

The memo is expected to face legal challenges in the court system. As it applies to congressional apportionment, the Constitution says, “Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State."

more at https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/trump-signs-memo-preventing-illegal-immigrants-from-being-counted-in-congressional-redistricting

Sad you need a memo for common cents

[laylalex 7,300]

Not sure that is constitutional. From what I understand, "persons" are not the same thing as "citizens" when it comes to the Constitution. 

[Neonred 3,694]

Common cents don't make sense.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

2 hours ago, laylalex said:

Not sure that is constitutional. From what I understand, "persons" are not the same thing as "citizens" when it comes to the Constitution. 

Constitutionally, there's also a difference between illegals and everyone else.

[yuna628 9,755]

2 hours ago, laylalex said:

Not sure that is constitutional. From what I understand, "persons" are not the same thing as "citizens" when it comes to the Constitution. 

Exactly why there will be more lawsuits and the administration will lose.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

2 hours ago, yuna628 said:

Exactly why there will be more lawsuits and the administration will lose.

If they lose this, then our great nation is doomed to be destroyed by the leftinistas who are seeking to do just that.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

15 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

If they lose this, then our great nation is doomed to be destroyed by the leftinistas who are seeking to do just that.

Plenty of spineless hacks helping bring that along. 

[TBoneTX 46,379]

If it can't even be asked, "Are you a U.S. citizen?" on the census forms, what good would the Memorandum do anyway?

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,386]

God forbid bidens replacement win 

[Dashinka 24,960]

8 hours ago, yuna628 said:

Exactly why there will be more lawsuits and the administration will lose.

According to the Dems, the rule of law doesn’t mean anything anymore.  Sure there will be challenges, and potentially the President will lose, but who knows.

[yuna628 9,755]

11 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

If they lose this, then our great nation is doomed to be destroyed by the leftinistas who are seeking to do just that.

Hyperbole man. Look, Libertarians and Originalists know that what the administration is trying to do just isn't the way it's supposed to be. And if we want it to be a different way, changes have to come from Congress. The founders understood how matters with immigration were supposed to be, and that is vastly different to the current way some think on it now (on both sides). The text was written specifically this way for a reason. It may be upsetting for some, but the administration is going to lose this argument.

10 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

If it can't even be asked, "Are you a U.S. citizen?" on the census forms, what good would the Memorandum do anyway?

Not much actually, which is why I sort of consider it an empty gesture that might make some feel good but is kind of meaningless? Nevertheless it will be litigated, and I can't see the court being pleased to see this sort of junk on their doorstep once again.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,386]

1 minute ago, yuna628 said:

Hyperbole man. Look, Libertarians and Originalists know that what the administration is trying to do just isn't the way it's supposed to be. And if we want it to be a different way, changes have to come from Congress. The founders understood how matters with immigration were supposed to be, and that is vastly different to the current way some think on it now (on both sides). The text was written specifically this way for a reason. It may be upsetting for some, but the administration is going to lose this argument.

Not much actually, which is why I sort of consider it an empty gesture that might make some feel good but is kind of meaningless? Nevertheless it will be litigated, and I can't see the court being pleased to see this sort of junk on their doorstep once again.

How could you possibly be in favor of illegal aliens being counted to appoint representatives in Washington 

[yuna628 9,755]

1 minute ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

How could you possibly be in favor of illegal aliens being counted to appoint representatives in Washington 

NB as with most things involving the Constitution it's not about what *I* or anyone else is in favor of. It's how it was written and the intention behind it. There's a process to change things if we collectively want.

[Dashinka 24,960]

44 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

NB as with most things involving the Constitution it's not about what *I* or anyone else is in favor of. It's how it was written and the intention behind it. There's a process to change things if we collectively want.

There is certainly a question regarding the 14th Amendment which made some changes as to who is counted.