Too little too late: The story of how Florida shattered the country's single-day COVID record

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

On 7/24/2020 at 12:26 PM, Voice of Reason said:

Today, those numbers have changed to:

13,355 beds available.  47,153 in use (9,210 are covid patients, down 153) 22.1% available. <<<+308 more beds total as compared to the 19th>>>

 

   397,470  positive

2,874,324  negative

 

12,969 beds available. 47,551 in use (8,720 are covid patients, down 490) 21.4% available.   <<< +12 more beds total as compared to the 24th>>>

 

451,423 positive

3,075,342 negative

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

6 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

12,969 beds available. 47,551 in use (8,720 are covid patients, down 490) 21.4% available.   <<< +12 more beds total as compared to the 24th>>>

 

451,423 positive

3,075,342 negative

I know my Maff is awful according to some but on the 24th you posted 13365 beds available and 47,153 in use

today you reported 12,969 bed  available and 47551 in use. How is that a 12 bed gain  from the 24th ??? 🤣 🤣

 

My MAFF says says that is 396 less bed available and about 398 more beds in Use

[Dashinka 24,492]

45 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I know my Maff is awful according to some but on the 24th you posted 13365 beds available and 47,153 in use

today you reported 12,969 bed  available and 47551 in use. How is that a 12 bed gain  from the 24th ??? 🤣 🤣

 

My MAFF says says that is 396 less bed available and about 398 more beds in Use

You need to add both numbers to get a total number of beds for that day, then look at the difference.  Essentially, the hospitals added 12 more beds between the 24th and the 29th.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

Latest numbers show 2.0% death rate, which is a slight bump from the day before. Overall went from 1.3 to 1.4%.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

6 hours ago, Dashinka said:

You need to add both numbers to get a total number of beds for that day, then look at the difference.  Essentially, the hospitals added 12 more beds between the 24th and the 29th.

Thank you.

[Dashinka 24,492]

10 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

Thank you.

What is interesting is they seem to be adding few beds in FL.  May not be a trend yet, but worth watching.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

19 hours ago, Dashinka said:

You need to add both numbers to get a total number of beds for that day, then look at the difference.  Essentially, the hospitals added 12 more beds between the 24th and the 29th.

I here you, and get it, but why would such a meaningless statistic even be worth noting. A couple of capacity hospitals probably reported patients in  held in  the ER as beds or 1 hospital opened a wing.  It is less than .0002 of all the beds certainly within the margin of error. Seems like beds available  or % available would be be the numbers to watch.

 

I just don't see how one can poo poo every set of numbers that comes from the dept of health but somehow proclaim a  less than 0002 increase in total beds as meaningful in any way. 

[Dashinka 24,492]

2 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I here you, and get it, but why would such a meaningless statistic even be worth noting. A couple of capacity hospitals probably reported patients in  held in  the ER as beds or 1 hospital opened a wing.  It is less than .0002 of all the beds certainly within the margin of error. Seems like beds available  or % available would be be the numbers to watch.

 

I just don't see how one can poo poo every set of numbers that comes from the dept of health but somehow proclaim a  less than 0002 increase in total beds as meaningful in any way. 

The point is that the number of hospital beds is not a static number although it tends to be treated as such by most health department.  Hospitals, cities and states have the ability to increase capacity in many ways when necessary.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

6 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

The point is that the number of hospital beds is not a static number although it tends to be treated as such by most health department.  Hospitals, cities and states have the ability to increase capacity in many ways when necessary.

Of course it can, agree with you 100%. When New York was so hot they sent in the Aid Ship and many cities were building Tent hospitals.  Just doesn't seem to me personally a fluctuation of  less than .0002, is significant and that % beds available , beds in Use, Beds available would be the metrics to watch.

You cant really declare a trend or data set successful or unsuccessful based on one metric, which seems to be the trend of the Bifurcation that is so prevalent lately. its also a bit absurd to discredit every piece  of data presented except the one that fits that narrative

 

Take  for example the discussion that, the Death rate is down so everything is great. Well that is great news none can argue that. However if you add in  infection rates  are soaring and deaths are up then it becomes much more mixed picture.  On the flip side if you only look at deaths or ICU utilization rates in the worst areas the one is just as guilty bifurcation as the first example. 

 

In the end it just seems to me this whole thing is making people a bit dogmatic and loopy . Seems like you have 2 basic sets of people. 1- The sky is falling we are all doomed and need to hide in caves. 2-. It's all  big nothing burger, we are lied to by the government and if you have any concern you are living in fear, and I will not practice any safe measures because I stand for freedom. Both sides are so brittle and angry it's absurd.

 

The truth is, this pandemic is serious. We need to do everything we can to stop it's spread and implement safe practices. Also true we cant destroy the greatest economy ever in history and quarantine the country. Life has to go on, be we need to do everything possible including wearing mask, social distancing when possible, good personal hygiene. I dont know why any of this has o be so controversial to people.

 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

46 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

its also a bit absurd to discredit every piece  of data presented except the one that fits that narrative

 

And yet, here you are, killing it.  Every time I post numbers, you attempt to apply meaning to them that I never claimed.  Might be time to step back and take a look in the mirror, old chap.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

 

 

 

Miami-Dade ICUs at 146% capacity with coronavirus patients, according to federal document

 

https://news.yahoo.com/miami-dade-ic-us-at-146-percent-capacity-with-coronavirus-patients-151222876.html

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

1 hour ago, Voice of Reason said:

So we can all agree moving foward the CDC and florida health dept numbers are now accurate? 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

Florida reports record increase in COVID-19 deaths for third day in a row

 

https://news.trust.org/item/20200730134919-dqydg

 

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- Florida reported a record increase in new COVID-19 deaths for a third day in a row on Thursday, with 252 fatalities in the last 24 hours, according to the state health department.

Florida also reported 9,956 new cases, bringing its total infections to over 461,000, the second highest in the country behind California. Florida's total death toll rose to 6,709, the eighth highest in the nation, according to a Reuters tally.

Due to the spike in cases, the Miami-area school district, the nation's fourth-largest district, said students would not return to classrooms when the new academic year begins in a few weeks.

Florida was among six states on Wednesday that reported single-day records for coronavirus deaths. California, Idaho, North Carolina, Texas and South Dakota also had their biggest one-day spikes in coronavirus fatalities since the pandemic started. California, Florida and Texas are the three most populous state and where about a quarter of all U.S. residents live.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

Agreeing doesn't really make something factual. It seems 9 out 10 "news" articles I see that talks about beds/numbers winds up talking about "estimates" or other mental math games that are clearly deceptive for a reason. There's no reason to contrive "estimates" when hospitals actually count and report their capacity. What VOC is citing is a reporting system that simply reports what the hospitals do. This is accurate. 

 

Capacity increases and decreases based on demand. Several governors stated this, one of those being the Florida governor. So # of beds isn't static. Whether it's because they "took beds from other areas" or "added beds" is irrelevant. This is done in operations on a regular basis. If Product A has 10 machines putting out 900 products per day each and are operating at 90% capacity, their actual capacity is 10,000. If they decide to import 5 machines from another department/product with the same capacity and produce the same amount per machine, they'd still be at 90% capacity. No one would use the "Yahoo Math" to say its at 135% capacity. This kind of explanation shouldn't be needed for every single contrived article, people should have an ounce of common sense.

Edited July 30, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds