Would Merit Based Immigration Affect Spouses?

[TampaRishon 38]

A video of trump discussing his merit based immigration plan from May 2019. Same time of the article I posted. This one protects Nuclear Family from what I read on the write up about this movie. 

[Duke & Marie 1,389]

1 hour ago, James120383 said:

considering US is the world's super power and has had family immigration for 100+ years, there is nothing to say to need to shift to merit basis. it has worked wonderful for this country. Infact it has worked the best in the world. Sure Aussi might go with merit but one solution does not make it any better than the US 

The UK shifted to merit based and has been implementing immigration a lot longer than the US.. And in saying the us is a world super power that has little or nothing to do with it... and I think the magirity of people would argue that the US immation system isn’t the best in the world and leaves a lot. to be desired.  there’s a lot that can be improved with the current system and it’s only natural that they would look at other systems around the world that work reasonably well and consider their implementation here.. 

[igoyougoduke 1,676]

7 minutes ago, Duke & Marie said:

The UK shifted to merit based and has been implementing immigration a lot longer than the US.. And in saying the us is a world super power that has little or nothing to do with it... and I think the magirity of people would argue that the US immation system isn’t the best in the world and leaves a lot. to be desired.  there’s a lot that can be improved with the current system and it’s only natural that they would look at other systems around the world that work reasonably well and consider their implementation here.. 

 There is nothing wrong with the current immigration system in the US. It is working fine and immigrants from all over the world come here and are proud to be part of the country. Lets not compare what works for canada and australia and UK will and should work for US. 

[Duke & Marie 1,389]

7 minutes ago, James120383 said:

 There is nothing wrong with the current immigration system in the US. It is working fine and immigrants from all over the world come here and are proud to be part of the country. Lets not compare what works for canada and australia and UK will and should work for US. 

I’d argue the system isn’t great... 2+ years for spouse visa? 20+ years for sibling?  The AOS system is abused.. people walk across the boarder and overstay for years..and now 2/3’s of USCIS staff are getting laid off further slowing the process...  how is that great? 

[igoyougoduke 1,676]

59 minutes ago, Duke & Marie said:

I’d argue the system isn’t great... 2+ years for spouse visa? 20+ years for sibling?  The AOS system is abused.. people walk across the boarder and overstay for years..and now 2/3’s of USCIS staff are getting laid off further slowing the process...  how is that great? 

 

System isn't great does not mean it is not working. Sure efficiency can be improved and that is with everything. US has always been an immigrant country. People from all over the world in all sorts of skills have come here ( bakers, barbers, chefs, janitors, engineers, scientists) and they have every right to bring their family here. Now this random guy wants to come and change cause he thinks it does not work. Just look at the US Economy. It is bigger than any nation in the world. 

 

Cause everyone wants to be in US and its over loaded. Merit based system is not the issue here and the mere 500k immigrants to Australia and 200k per year to Canada does not equal to millions + immigrants per year to US.

 

Australia and Canada cannot even be compared to US. There numbers are tiny compared to US. 

 

[Crazy Cat 42,563]

21 minutes ago, James120383 said:

and they have every right to bring their family here.

Not really.....Some have a right to petition for some family members to come here.  Not everyone has a right to immigrate to the US.

Edited July 12, 2020 by Lucky Cat

[issea 43]

Merit based immigration is much easier than the employment based immigration (especially and mainly EB1 and EB2). So it may be a good news for those are seeking for green card via the EB category and have long waiting time (like Indians and Chinese). 

[Duke & Marie 1,389]

30 minutes ago, James120383 said:

 

System isn't great does not mean it is not working. Sure efficiency can be improved and that is with everything. US has always been an immigrant country. People from all over the world in all sorts of skills have come here ( bakers, barbers, chefs, janitors, engineers, scientists) and they have every right to bring their family here. Now this random guy wants to come and change cause he thinks it does not work. Just look at the US Economy. It is bigger than any nation in the world. 

 

Cause everyone wants to be in US and its over loaded. Merit based system is not the issue here and the mere 500k immigrants to Australia and 200k per year to Canada does not equal to millions + immigrants per year to US.

 

Australia and Canada cannot even be compared to US. There numbers are tiny compared to US. 

 

Not sure he can be considered as some random guy... and no one has a right to immigration family or otherwise.. 

 

yes all sorts of skills for employment based immigration, but one of the points of merit based for employment is to ensure you don’t overload on a specific skill set and/or fall short in areas of need.. meaning if the country needs carpenters then carpenters get prioritiesed, short on mechanics or doctors they get prioritiesed... the only thing that happens when you overload in a specific skill set is wages go down because employers have more candidates and because immigrants tend to get the jobs for lower wages putting your citizens on unemployment.. UK is prime example of overload hence their resent implementation of merit based.. 

 

employment and family based merit systems are not one in the same, you shouldn’t confuse them or try combine..which is what you appear to be doing.. family is spouse, parent or child.. adult siblings should need to migrate on their own merit just like everyone else and in the case of the us a merit based employment system would be far quicker than the current family process for adult sibling 

Edited July 12, 2020 by Duke & Marie

[Duke & Marie 1,389]

6 minutes ago, issea said:

Merit based immigration is much easier than the employment based immigration (especially and mainly EB1 and EB2). So it may be a good news for those are seeking for green card via the EB category and have long waiting time (like Indians and Chinese). 

Agree, employment merit isn’t a bad thing especially if you have a skill set in a needed field.. since they genrally get approved faster

[Her Highness 20]

11 minutes ago, Duke & Marie said:

and no one has a right to immigration family or otherwise..

I see a lot of reference to immigration being a right in this forum and I'm beginning to wonder if privilege and right is considered one and the same in America.

[Crazy Cat 42,563]

16 minutes ago, Duke & Marie said:

Not sure he can be considered as some random guy... and no one has a right to immigration family or otherwise.. 

 

yes all sorts of skills for employment based immigration, but one of the points of merit based for employment is to ensure you don’t overload on a specific skill set and/or fall short in areas of need.. meaning if the country needs carpenters then carpenters get prioritiesed, short on mechanics or doctors they get prioritiesed... the only thing that happens when you overload in a specific skill set is wages go down because employers have more candidates and because immigrants tend to get the jobs for lower wages putting your citizens on unemployment.. UK is prime example of overload hence their resent implementation of merit based.. 

 

employment and family based merit systems are not one in the same, you shouldn’t confuse them or try combine..which is what you appear to be doing.. family is spouse, parent or child.. adult siblings should need to migrate on their own merit just like everyone else and in the case of the us a merit based employment system would be far quicker than the current family process for adult sibling 

Another fact is that, when the US was a young country, there was a great need for people (regardless of merits).  Whether people like it or not, times have changed and the needs of the country have changed over time.  

[tahm 19]

I found something about the merit based program on wikipedia and there it says the cap would be 140k legal immigrants per fiscal year and that would include spouse and children. Googling some I found out that only in 2016 there were 1.18 million legal immigrants accepted in to the U.S. So that's a huge cut.

[Crazy Cat 42,563]

1 minute ago, tahm said:

I found something about the merit based program on wikipedia and there it says the cap would be 140k legal immigrants per fiscal year and that would include spouse and children. Googling some I found out that only in 2016 there were 1.18 million legal immigrants accepted in to the U.S. So that's a huge cut.

There is no change yet.  There is no Executive Order yet.  There is no change in the law yet.  As of now, EVERYTHING IS PURE SPECULATION....

[Duke & Marie 1,389]

15 minutes ago, Lucky Cat said:

Another fact is that, when the US was a young country, there was a great need for people (regardless of merits).  Whether people like it or not, times have changed and the needs of the country have changed over time.  

Currently given the state of the economy and shutdowns etc... merit based would work well for qualified nannies and home tutors yr 1-12, aged care and disability workers.. bring in these types of immigrants would assist Americans in getting back to work rather than letting anyone in to take the available work from Americans trapped at home with children, elderly or disabled family due to covid closures in schools and care facilities.. being trapped at home due to lack of careers only keeps Americans on unemployment further impacting the economy negatively, sooner or later the government will run out of money..

Edited July 12, 2020 by Duke & Marie

[JeanneAdil 6,698]

On 7/12/2020 at 1:53 PM, tahm said:

I found something about the merit based program on wikipedia and there it says the cap would be 140k legal immigrants per fiscal year and that would include spouse and children. Googling some I found out that only in 2016 there were 1.18 million legal immigrants accepted in to the U.S. So that's a huge cut.

The body of law governing current immigration policy is called The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA). The INA allows the United States to grant up to 675,000 permanent immigrant visas each year across various visa categories. On top of those 675,000 visas, the INA sets no limit on the annual admission of U.S. citizens’ spouses, parents, and children under the age of 21. In addition, each year the president is required to consult with Congress and set an annual number of refugees to be admitted to the United States through the U.S. Refugee Resettlement Process

 

To clairify the 675,000 are not family based

and above that number there are as stated above -no limits on spouses and children and parents