Supreme Court rejects Trump claim of 'absolute immunity' from grand jury subpoena for tax returns

[laylalex 7,284]

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In a history-making decision on Thursday, the Supreme Court ruled President Donald Trump cannot claim "absolute immunity" from criminal investigation while in office and may need to comply with a New York grand jury subpoena seeking his personal financial records.

The decision is a major legal defeat for Trump, although it remains highly unlikely the public will see the president's tax returns or financial records before Election Day. If the records are turned over in the grand jury probe, by law they must remain secret.

Chief Justice John Roberts, writing the 7-2 majority opinion, concluded that "no citizen, not even the President, is categorically above the common duty to produce evidence when called upon in a criminal proceeding."

 

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/scotus-rules-trump-financial-records-subpoenas/story?id=71382157

 

Interesting -- I mean, we won't see anything for a while but I think it's important that the court came out and said no one is above the law, not even a sitting President. 7-2 is a powerful statement as well.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Wanna see my taxes?

[laylalex 7,284]

6 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Wanna see my taxes?

No thanks.  But if I needed to for a a court case, it's good to know I could subpoena them.  

 

Oh, starting a 48-hour pizza dough this afternoon for Saturday night by the way.  

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

Right now the only obvious loser is the House. They were flat out told no.

 

Vance and his grand jury were basically told "you have the right to try..." ... in the lower courts. Which is basically nothing, with a little virtue signal sauce on top.

 

How fake news and the left are spinning it:

Edited July 10, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

29 minutes ago, laylalex said:

No thanks.  But if I needed to for a a court case, it's good to know I could subpoena them.  

 

Oh, starting a 48-hour pizza dough this afternoon for Saturday night by the way.  

The IRS does a pretty good job of doing the tax thing (minus a brief time under Obama).  I'm content with them doing their job.

 

Sounds yummy.  48 hours is about the minimum time I find much of a taste change in the dough.  24 is ok, I guess, kind of... meh.

[laylalex 7,284]

6 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Right now the only obvious loser is the House. They were flat out told no.

 

Vance and his grand jury were basically told "you have the right to try..." ... in the lower courts. Which is basically nothing, with a little virtue signal sauce on top.

That's not really how I'm reading either of those things. From what I can see, the court laid out a four part test in the Mazars case and sent it down to the lower court to try again. That's not a no, that's a "show those courts how you meet the test and if you don't, no."

 

And in the Vance case in New York, Kavanaugh said clearly that the president isn't above the law -- no such thing as "absolute immunity." I'm sort of cracking up thinking about Kavanaugh "virtue signaling"? It's not nothing -- it says this subpoena is as enforceable as if the records Vance was seeking were from any regular citizen. The issue was whether or not Trump had to comply, not okay, you have to comply and release them right now. Surely there is a state legal process to enforce them, so it makes sense that it would be the state court that would enforce them.

 

I admit to reading Reason and Scotusblog today to understand more about these. I may not always agree with Reason but I find the writing there to be considered and intelligent on many topics.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

1 hour ago, Voice of Reason said:

Wanna see my taxes?

That was creepy 😃

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

The term "absolute immunity" was used nowhere in the ruling, every single justice recognized the President is not above the law. This is simply a straw man, and why it's virtue signaling is because its telling us what we already know, what's not even an argument on the table, but a statement contrived for political correctness to signal one's virtue. 

 

You're pretending it allows the subpoenas, if it did, it would be over. His records would be produced within hours, days. Might want to read the actual arguments rather than headlines and footnotes. The House has no right to prosecute private citizens, or subpoena documents of private citizens unrelated to public service. That is not its power, quite simply spelled out in the Constitution, that is the Executive's power. The only oversight they have is a limited amount and over the Presidents public service. Seeking 10 year financial records of a President from well before he was President is out of bounds of their role as Congress. The legislative purpose described was also rebuffed. There's no way forward with that in the House. For Vance, on the other hand, nothing was decided, other than he can try in a lower court, but in the lower court, Trump can raise other defenses, because of the wording in Vance being so similar to the House's poor attempts, it can be described as political. Political prosecutions are the role of Congress, it is not allowed in law enforcement.

[laylalex 7,284]

Whatever, dude. I can read, lol.  

 

Have a look at Trump v. Vance, I can see the phrase "absolute immunity"..... 33 times according to Adobe Acrobat. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/19pdf/19-635_o7jq.pdf

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

I just saw the supreme court building on the TV . Its a direct copy of Roman and Greek architecture.  They held massive quantities of Greek slaves. Triggered. 

 

Burn that $#&^$ down

[laylalex 7,284]

Nature Boy, this is my topic and I want to stay ON TOPIC (even though I did talk briefly about pizza dough but it was a blatant attempt to gain VOR's favor I admit ).

[TBoneTX 45,267]

Nonconformist, non-group-think analysis provided here:

https://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2020/07/09/ignore-the-media-trump-ought-to-be-high-fiving-over-this-tax-ruling/

[Dashinka 24,488]

4 hours ago, laylalex said:

Nature Boy, this is my topic and I want to stay ON TOPIC (even though I did talk briefly about pizza dough but it was a blatant attempt to gain VOR's favor I admit ).

Asking people not to post is against the TOS.

 

As to the OP ruling, if there was really anything there, does anyone think it would have not been leaked yet?

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

2 hours ago, Dashinka said:

 

As to the OP ruling, if there was really anything there, does anyone think it would have not been leaked yet?

Yes.  If Trump's CPAs made any mistakes on his tax returns, then he can't be president anymore.  Simpler than a fake impeachment, or a scamdemic, amirite?

Edited July 10, 2020 by Voice of Reason

[Dashinka 24,488]

10 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

Wanna see my taxes?

If the Marxist at BLM get their way, it won’t matter since everyone will make the same amount of government approved salary.