California pair charged with hate crime after Black Lives Matter mural cover-up: authorities

[Dashinka 24,736]

So it is a hate crime now to be against Marxism/Communism?

 

California pair charged with hate crime after Black Lives Matter mural cover-up: authorities

 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-pair-charged-with-hate-crime-after-black-lives-matter-mural-cover-up-authorities

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

Just cleaning up after the party was over. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Need to watch the video at the top of the page on this original news report to get the full-on sadness behind the situation.

 

https://www.ktvu.com/news/2-martinez-residents-charged-with-hate-crime-for-defacing-black-lives-matter-mural

 

While I don't think the location for the mural was the best choice, the guy DID have a permit to paint it, allegedly.

 

 

Edited July 8, 2020 by Voice of Reason

[Ban Hammer 13,490]

 

 

This is convicted terrorist Susan Rosenburg, she sits on the Board of Directors for the fundraising arm of Black Lives Matter. She was convicted for the 1983 bombing of the United States Capitol Building, the U.S. Naval War College and the New York Patrolmen's Benevolent Association. She was released from prison after serving 16 years of her 58-year prison sentence when Bill Clinton commuted her sentence on his last day in office.
As of 2020, Rosenberg sits as vice chair of the board of Thousand Currents, a foundation- and contribution-funded international grant-making charitable organization which supports grassroots organizations in the "Global South"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Rosenberg

Edited July 8, 2020 by Ban Hammer

[yuna628 9,700]

People defacing murals is acceptable? Or are we only going to get mad at the people defacing statues?

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

just speechless. 

[Dashinka 24,736]

2 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

Need to watch the video at the top of the page on this original news report to get the full-on sadness behind the situation.

 

https://www.ktvu.com/news/2-martinez-residents-charged-with-hate-crime-for-defacing-black-lives-matter-mural

 

While I don't think the location for the mural was the best choice, the guy DID have a permit to paint it, allegedly.

 

 

I imagine all the statues being torn down were properly permitted prior to their placement.

[Dashinka 24,736]

38 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

People defacing murals is acceptable? Or are we only going to get mad at the people defacing statues?

As people or protestors defacing statues of whoever being charged with hate crimes?  If this couple were actually defacing public property, then they should be punished accordingly, but charging it as a hate crime seems a bit much especially considering this was a form of political protest, and none of the folks involved are actually black.  

Edited July 8, 2020 by Dashinka

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

53 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

People defacing murals is acceptable? Or are we only going to get mad at the people defacing statues?

Painting the racist words on a street is not artistic at all.  Just causes discontent. 

 

Murals are typically artwork.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

20 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

As people or protestors defacing statues of whoever being charged with hate crimes?  If this couple were actually defacing public property, then they should be punished accordingly, but charging it as a hate crime seems a bit much especially considering this was a form of political protest, and none of the folks involved are actually black.  

 

    The mural was authorized by permit to be there, so technically wouldn't it be considered destruction of private property?  Hate crime does seem excessive, but it is possible when you are charged with destruction of property or vandalism targeting a specific ethnic group. 

 

   The lesson here for all us law abiding citizens is that if you want to destroy property legally, purchase it first. Once you are the owner, you can (in most cases) do what you want with it.

[yuna628 9,700]

13 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Painting the racist words on a street is not artistic at all.  Just causes discontent. 

 

Murals are typically artwork.

Well it is your opinion that it is 'racist words'. Which is what art is all about. What one person sees as art and making a statement is another person's trash and vulgarity. That doesn't mean we should go about defacing them, does it?

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

20 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

    The mural was authorized by permit to be there, so technically wouldn't it be considered destruction of private property?  Hate crime does seem excessive, but it is possible when you are charged with destruction of property or vandalism targeting a specific ethnic group. 

 

   The lesson here for all us law abiding citizens is that if you want to destroy property legally, purchase it first. Once you are the owner, you can (in most cases) do what you want with it.

Or make sure its a monument or statue. Hate crime is absurd and hopefully will not stand

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

The law is the law my friends. If they wrote the dumb stuff legally then it's unambiguously a crime to deface. Nonetheless, for what pettiness this issue amounts to, juxtaposing the ####ty locally sanctioned road scrawlings of BLM which is a movement designed purely for destruction and unequivocally nothing positive, with the good-natured and thought out statues and monuments to the founders and key figures to the United States' founding, tells you where a certain political demographic are today in demonstrating clear contempt for the United States. 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

1 minute ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

The law is the law my friends. If they wrote the dumb stuff legally then it's unambiguously a crime to deface. Nonetheless, for what pettiness this issue amounts to, juxtaposing the ####ty locally sanctioned road scrawlings of BLM which is a movement designed purely for destruction and unequivocally nothing positive, with the good-natured and thought out statues and monuments to the founders and key figures to the United States' founding, tells you where a certain political demographic are today in demonstrating clear contempt for the United States. 

Dont disagree. Probably as serious as Graffiti, but a freaking hate crime ?

[TBoneTX 45,957]

I've never fully understood the rationale behind enhancing criminal penalties by adding "hate crime" to it.  Crime is crime.  Murder is murder.  If a white (black) man murders a black (white) man, is the victim any more dead if the murderer hated the victim than if he didn't?