California’s Governor Forbids Christians From Singing in Church Houses

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

13 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

    The agenda being conservative media and politicians portraying conservatives as victims. Of everything. I agree, make it less conspicuous. Or maybe just give it up. Yeah, it worked for a while. It was a good run. Eventually they have to get back to reality.

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[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 minute ago, Voice of Reason said:

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[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Just now, Steeleballz said:

 

#election. 

 

 

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Edited July 5, 2020 by Voice of Reason

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

3 hours ago, sl1pstream said:

There's literal Christian prayer in schools and government. Money has "in god we trust" printed on it, but do go on about how Christianity is specifically being targeted and marginalized.

10/10 on the whatabout scale

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34 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

10/10 on the whatabout scale

No. Whataboutism would be shifting the narrative and claiming that other religions are going through the same thing, so it's not that bad when it comes to Christianity. 

 

What I'm saying is that Christianity has the premium spot. Literally everyone is forced to deal with it if they want to function in normal, every day life, even when they're not Christian themselves. It's on the money, there are entire TV networks aimed at Christians. There are several national holidays devoted to Christianity. There are Christian theme parks. The White House press briefings are led by someone who proudly wears a cross on a necklace and the president ordered an attack on peaceful protesters so that he could pose with a Bible.

 

Hallmark is currently in the process of airing 250 Christmas movies between June 29th and July 27th, in the middle of summer, when it's not even the season for these movies.

 

Christianity is not under attack. If anything, it's getting even more attention due to the pandemic.

 

Naming facts isn't whataboutism, and you can't claim that it is because you choose to ignore those facts to fit your narrative.

Edited July 5, 2020 by sl1pstream

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

10 minutes ago, sl1pstream said:

No. Whataboutism would be shifting the narrative and claiming that other religions are going through the same thing, so it's not that bad when it comes to Christianity. 

 

What I'm saying is that Christianity has the premium spot. It's on the money, people are forced to deal with it if they want to function in normal, every day life. It's on the money, there are entire TV networks aimed at Christians. There are several national holidays devoted to Christianity. There are Christian theme parks. The White House press briefings are led by someone who proudly wears a cross on a necklace and the president ordered an attack on peaceful protesters so that he could pose with a Bible.

 

Hallmark is currently in the process of airing 250 Christmas movies between June 29th and July 27th, in the middle of summer, when it's not even the season for these movies.

 

Christianity is not under attack. If anything, it's getting even more attention due to the pandemic.

"What about schools! What about government!"

"What about theme parks!" "What about WH press briefings!"

 

Whataboutism.

 

Not even arguing the merits of what's being debated, just invoking tu quoque about other perceived topics.

 

I'm glad Christianity to you is a "premium spot", for the rest of us, it's American culture and heritage, even if it clearly triggers some. You may not be aware the US has this thing called the First Amendment, where, regardless of religion, government has no place going in and telling people how to perform their church services as it is, let alone doing so in a way that clearly targets specific religions. To reuse the example I said earlier, they could ban turbans from places of worships and say that they have equal enforcement, but are obviously targeted. This is no different. Of the major religions, not that many actually sing. It comes as no surprise that this attack toward Christianity occurs here, it's been occurring with regularity over the past several months, to the point where the courts had to intervene and put a halt to it, when they're extremely reluctant to during "emergency" declarations. This is unequivocally an attack on Christians and lawsuits should fly pretty quickly and throw it out if it stays.

Edited July 5, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[TBoneTX 45,288]

9 hours ago, sl1pstream said:

Hallmark

Hallmark Channel has greater viewership than does CNN, last I heard.

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On 7/4/2020 at 8:21 PM, TBoneTX said:

The law is racist, because it prohibits black congregants from singing, chanting, or shouting their praises.

I'm offended that the congregants in predominantly black churches will be prohibited from exulting in their exaltations.

[TBoneTX 45,288]

9 hours ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

tu quoque

Tantumodo in regionalibus colloquiis aliter atque Anglice loquimini!

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

7 hours ago, TBoneTX said:

Tantumodo in regionalibus colloquiis aliter atque Anglice loquimini!

Some folks sbould not sing or tell jokes

 

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

2 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Some folks sbould not sing or tell jokes

 

 

[laylalex 7,284]

From my alumni Facebook group -- I missed this: https://www.jvoice.org/article/S0892-1997(20)30245-9/fulltext

 

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Unfortunately, there is a paucity of data about both how SARS-CoV-2 is transmitted by singing and how to bring communities of singers back together safely. The data available about disease spread through vocalization, most of which preceded the current pandemic, address primarily transmission of disease through droplets and aerosols and are specific neither to this virus nor to singing.

 

 Specifically, there is a lack of data addressing how to congregate and sing safely in choral environments such as churches, concert halls and practice spaces, as well as stages, theatres and other venues. In addition, protective measures such as safest distancing between singers, wearing masks or other personal protective equipment (PPE), using larger rehearsal or performance spaces, reducing the number of singers inside a certain enclosed space, reducing the duration of rehearsals or performances, and using real time air and surface cleaning methods such as increased ventilation, UV-C light and HEPA filtration specific to a singing environment among other topics have not been studied well enough to provide evidence on which to base advice to the singing community.

 

Opinion on these matters is plentiful and often divergent. A recent webinar with a panel of experts in the world of voice care and singing left the audience with the message, “There is no safe way for singers to rehearse together until there is a COVID-19 vaccine and a 95% effective treatment in place.” Although, this may ultimately prove to be accurate, evidence-based practice (defined as an approach to health that integrates scientific research, patient preferences and values, and clinical expertise to make the best recommendations possible) does not allow for such a definitive conclusion to be made at this time. It must be understood, that these recommendations and decisions are made not only on what scientific information is available but on intuition and unsystematic experience that is often biased and inaccurate.

Interesting article!

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56 minutes ago, laylalex said:

From my alumni Facebook group -- I missed this: https://www.jvoice.org/article/S0892-1997(20)30245-9/fulltext

 

Interesting article!

But yet 1000s of rioters shoulder to shoulder screaming at the top of their lungs is cool.

 

PS.  You know we ( or at least most) are just good nature ribbing you about Off topic etc. Its just a schtick like ribbing me about grammar fails and ribbing Tbone about his god awful jokes.😄

[laylalex 7,284]

1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

But yet 1000s of rioters shoulder to shoulder screaming at the top of their lungs is cool.

 

PS.  You know we ( or at least most) are just good nature ribbing you about Off topic etc. Its just a schtick like ribbing me about grammar fails and ribbing Tbone about his god awful jokes.😄

Didn't you get the memo? Those are excellent jokes. 

 

I got the memo -- it was on scented pink paper and there was a wad of benjamins enclosed. 💲💲💲

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

Update:

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Churches Sue Newsom After California Bans Singing, Chanting in Places of Worship Over COVID-19 Fears

 

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The plaintiffs in their lawsuit argue that Newsom’s new guidelines violate their constitutional rights.

“Banning singing in California churches is an unconstitutional abuse of power. And to do it in the name of a pandemic is despicable,” plaintiff attorney Jordan Sekulow said in a statement. “This ban is clearly targeted at religion. It is clearly a violation of the First Amendment and a direct violation of religious liberty.”

The lawsuit notes that the governor has only prohibited singing and chanting in places of worship, while he has been “unwavering in his support of massive protests” against police brutality, following the in-custody death of George Floyd in Minneapolis on May 25.

“On or about July 2, 2020, following implementation of the Worship Ban, when asked to explain whether people should heed Newsom’s mandate and avoid large crowds and gatherings, Newsom refused to place the same restrictions on protesters and explained ‘we have a Constitution, we have a right to free speech,’ and further stated that ‘we are all dealing with a moment in our nation‘s history that is profound and pronounced … Do what you think is best,’” the lawsuit states.

Singing and praying aloud, the suit argues, “is an integral part of worship” for believers and plaintiffs. It cited scripture that instructs followers to sing.

 

https://www.ntd.com/churches-sue-newsom-after-california-bans-singing-chanting-in-places-of-worship-over-covid-19-fears_486258.html