Illegal Immigrants why so much love?

[Sparkle Sparkle 914]

20 minutes ago, Georgia16 said:

Where did I say it was fair? I said tourist visa and overstays. 

Sorry @Georgia16 I was not referring to you @Steeleballz you dont game the system with K1 you game your gullible fiance/fiancee that didnt see through your antics 

Edited June 30, 2020 by Sparkle Sparkle

[laylalex 7,300]

3 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   It's a bad approach. People who make the choice to game the system will eventually get caught. People from countries where it is common practice receive more scrutiny for it. That is part of the job USCIS exists to do. We don't change a law because a few people are breaking it. It's best to realize that is why the law exists. Once we get past the visceral reaction, it is apparent the B2 is working exactly as intended. The ability to adjust status is part of that. We are actually fortunate that immigration law is not modeled around public opinion. If it was, we might not have either the B2 or the K1 as options. 

I think the K1 visa is terrible, personally, and its few benefits are outweighed by the pain of AOS. When I went through it last time with my ex, it was 2010/11, and we tore through the process. I think it took about 5 months, if that. But it was still 5 months he was stuck at home, miserable and bored and frustrated. It caused a lot of strain on our brand new marriage, particularly because I was working and getting to go out and be in the world. He had no friends who weren't mine, no family that wasn't mine. The only reason I am happy (lol, "happy"!) to go through AOS this time is because he already has work authorization that won't terminate when we file, and he has an existing life that isn't dependent on mine. The CR1/IR1 is a superior visa in just about every way to the K1. The only time I think it should be used is when there literally is no way for the spouses to be to get married anywhere but in the US because of things like bans of same sex marriage or religious/cultural restrictions. Again, just my opinion.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

8 minutes ago, Georgia16 said:

Don't really care. I said what I thought they should do and I still do not think it should be okay to adjust from a tourist visa or overstay. 

What they'll do I can't change that just as I can't change many other things I don't think they should be doing. 

It's all just an opinion. 

 

  Sure, we are all allowed that, but our opinions are all colored by our own experience. I've actually met a lot of people who think the K1 should be eliminated too. Sometimes things change when you experience and understand the reasons for why these paths legitimately exist. The ability to adjust from a B2 is not there just for impatient fiances to hook up faster. The immigration system does not exist just to consider and facilitate that single aspect of ones life.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

3 minutes ago, Sparkle Sparkle said:

Sorry @Georgia16 I was not referring to you @Steeleballz you dont game the system with K1 you game your gullible fiance/fiancee that didnt see through your antics 

 

   Lack of experience with "the system" may make it appear that way. As I said, opinions are fine, but the majority here have 1 or 2 experiences with USCIS. That is a very limited perspective. I am perfectly fine leaving policy up to those who deal with it day after day.  

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

1 hour ago, laylalex said:

There are people who game the fiancé and spouse visas too. Just look at the Effects of Major Changes forum. 

Sorry I was talking about the K1. I probably did not make that clear 

17 minutes ago, Sparkle Sparkle said:

Sorry @Georgia16 I was not referring to you @Steeleballz you dont game the system with K1 you game your gullible fiance/fiancee that didnt see through your antics 

The people I know were both in on it

Edited June 30, 2020 by Nature Boy 2.0

[Sparkle Sparkle 914]

1 minute ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Sorry I was talking about the K1. I probably dint make that clear 

The people I know were both in on it

There is a form on USCIS site, you should do due diligence and report them for fraud

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

2 minutes ago, Sparkle Sparkle said:

There is a form on USCIS site, you should do due diligence and report them for fraud

If they came over here and did not even stay married long enough to complete AOS, USCIS should have a clue. I dont think they care. dont know if you watch 90 day fiancee. Larissa is a good example. Sam marriage and three arrests but still here 

[Dashinka 24,738]

30 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   It's a bad approach. People who make the choice to game the system will eventually get caught. People from countries where it is common practice receive more scrutiny for it. That is part of the job USCIS exists to do. We don't change a law because a few people are breaking it. It's best to realize that is why the law exists. Once we get past the visceral reaction, it is apparent the B2 is working exactly as intended. The ability to adjust status is part of that. We are actually fortunate that immigration law is not modeled around public opinion. If it was, we might not have either the B2 or the K1 as options. 

We are actually lucky that US immigration law is not modeled after a lot of other countries that are much more restrictive.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

13 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

We are actually lucky that US immigration law is not modeled after a lot of other countries that are much more restrictive.

 

  That's true, although many are better than ours too. It is possible to be more restrictive and have a better system, but for us to do that would require comprehensive changes, not quick fixes to the B2. There certainly is a way. There is not really a will though.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

1 hour ago, Dashinka said:

We are actually lucky that US immigration law is not modeled after a lot of other countries that are much more restrictive.

This is true.

 

When I had moved to Canada in 2011 I was a visitor. Visitors who didn't get a stamp get 6 months (assumed), I filed my PR app in May (outland, but within Canada, due to faster processing times). Around the time my daughter was born, the process of the PR was done but not fast enough, my visitor status was expiring. Rather than try a risky flagpole (go to the border like I was entering US, turn around before leaving Canada), I actually called Fort Erie (at Niagara) from wife's house (Ontario), and talked to one of the CBSA agents that processes things at the counters of the office you'd go into when entering. I told him my situation entirely, and honestly, having all my ducks in a row (insurance, sponsorship declaration from wife and mother in law, since I couldn't, and didn't, legally work yet) for an extended visa and nearing the end of my PR app. He said if I had come to the border and told him what I just said he'd have given a one year extended status until the process was done.. the most important part of what he told me was, "Canada isn't in the business of breaking up families". (I had gotten my Canadian citizenship several years later)

 

That concept had resonated with me significantly, thinking this might be possible in the US, until this whole "children in cages" nonsense in the US. When I talked to the CBSA officer, I was told how so many people follow procedures in Canada and illegal immigration isn't nearly as prevalent. Regardless of my bleeding heart, reality is reality.

 

Therein is the key, you can't make equally friendly laws, because you have so many people, especially coming from south of the border, who don't follow the rules, don't respect US laws and customs, that they have far more respect for in Canada. This I grew up with in California. Not only were illegals handed things on a silver platter, and catered to, but the state even changed the language to Spanish as well to placate them. Beyond the idea I would occasionally hear, mostly in Spanish, that they are entitled to be in the US because it was Mexico's land, and they're taking it back, this is why so many people, especially from Mexico, have this idea that they are special and exclusions to the law. When I had filed for a K1 visa in 2007-08 with an ex (from Greece), I had been helping a lawyer who was working on pro bono apps. When it came time for me to get help, I went to his K1 book and dusted it off.. I was shocked at how he never used it. He almost exclusively encountered the immigrate-stay-for-years-marriage-AOS (fraud) route. Then you have DACA, overwhelmingly targeting specific demographics.. illegals from Mexico and nearby Central American countries, or South American (depending on their current political/economic state to make that trip). I had contacted the Catholic Dioceses in California, they overwhelmingly supported illegal immigration and deal with that given how prevalent it is, said they don't deal much with legal. I'm the type of person that meticulously researches anything like mad and gets numerous opinions on things before making such an important choice where I had only limited expertise. It's why I even consulted lawyers for our IR1 (for wife).

 

Even in my most left wing days when I was voting for candidates in the Peace and Freedom party, or Socialist party (and honestly I still would if I thought there were no better alternatives, it's happened before, I'd easily vote for someone I completely disagree with if I thought there was a good chance their election would result in cleaning up corruption even by a moderate degree), when I was fluently speaking Spanish, and in many ways sympathized with illegals I had met, I was still not a fan at all of illegal immigration. These barriers are in place to ensure social and cultural stability, and is a normal thing (until today's era of destabilizing globalization). We've seen what happens in other parts of the world thanks to reckless, moronic foreign policy of destabilization, where rapid migration and complete evasion of laws are practiced by the populace at large, and as you can see in the years of Trump, this sort of rapid migration and chaos that's being sewn in Europe is already brought to the US. 

 

What people need to do is stop playing the political game that those, in media, and politicians, who advocate open borders and amnesty for breaking the law (when you, as a citizen, would be granted no amnesty, nor should you be), are dumb when in fact they are dangerous people fomenting the Republic's demise. This is one of the issues that used to bring people of both sides together, unfortunately, segments of the population, most of which are overwhelmingly on the left (but includes their lovely newfound partners, neocons, neoliberals, and some libertarians), knows the consequences, and have decided they are perfectly okay with it. Which is why they work so hard to upend everything that keeps things in the US remotely stable, they actively participate in gaslighting people (as a method of psychological paralysis). People really have to learn to stick to their guns and stop giving equal weight to malicious ideas and intentions. If you follow basic principles easily laid out by the Constitution, by the founding fathers, it becomes significantly harder for these bad people to be successful, even as they try and destroy US history through this moronic statue toppling and book burning.. the very tactics the Bolsheviks (German communists also called Antifa) used to violently seize power. 

Edited June 30, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

3 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   It's a bad approach. People who make the choice to game the system will eventually get caught. People from countries where it is common practice receive more scrutiny for it. That is part of the job USCIS exists to do. We don't change a law because a few people are breaking it. It's best to realize that is why the law exists. Once we get past the visceral reaction, it is apparent the B2 is working exactly as intended. The ability to adjust status is part of that. We are actually fortunate that immigration law is not modeled around public opinion. If it was, we might not have either the B2 or the K1 as options. 

Pretty sure about 15,000,000 illegals (and growing) in America would disagree with your statement.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

38 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Pretty sure about 15,000,000 illegals (and growing) in America would disagree with your statement.

 

     Not sure how that relates to B2's or K1's gaming the system, but what do the illegal aliens who disagree actually think happens to them if/when they get caught? 

 

 

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

They think.. what does it matter, I'll just use that money I sent back to my home country and smuggle myself back in!

 

Or just cross again illegally and try to get released in the US even if caught.

Edited June 30, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

43 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

     Not sure how that relates to B2's or K1's gaming the system, but what do the illegal aliens who disagree actually think happens to them if/when they get caught? 

 

 

Released into the country with a court date that they will never show up for, for 500 Alex

[Steeleballz 7,550]

4 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

They think.. what does it matter, I'll just use that money I sent back to my home country and smuggle myself back in!

 

Or just cross again illegally and try to get released in the US even if caught.

 

    Indeed, they are breaking the law and face the consequences if caught. There is no legal outcome possible. So in the context of my post and VOR's response, perhaps not everyone here is familiar with what "gaming the system" actually means.