Illegal Immigrants why so much love?

[Steeleballz 7,550]

7 minutes ago, OrihimeandIchigo said:

So the government's lazy and doesn't want to work on the hard issues because of lack of public pressure maybe? 

 

I just can't understand how people in the USA don't know barely anything about legal immigration or news involving legal immigration. 

 

Is it all just click bait from the democratic news outlets to cause outrage and sympathy? And thats why illegal aliens get away with SO MUCH and are covered consistently in the news, twitter and everywhere and having protest rallies? 

 

Is legal immigration just to hard to convey to the people? 

 

   Half of Americans don't even understand the difference. I've had people who know someone who is here illegally ask how my wife got her green card and citizenship so they can help their friend. As if there is a parallel they could follow.

[Dashinka 24,736]

17 minutes ago, OrihimeandIchigo said:

So the government's lazy and doesn't want to work on the hard issues because of lack of public pressure maybe? 

 

I just can't understand how people in the USA don't know barely anything about legal immigration or news involving legal immigration. 

 

Is it all just click bait from the democratic news outlets to cause outrage and sympathy? And thats why illegal aliens get away with SO MUCH and are covered consistently in the news, twitter and everywhere and having protest rallies? 

 

Is legal immigration just to hard to convey to the people? 

I am not sure it is laziness, or political strategy.  The Dems seem to favor keeping this as a political hot potato for election purposes especially now with Trump involved.  Trump has said several times he was in favor of doing something constitutional to solve the DACA issue which is how it should be done, not by some EO from the former President.  The decision last week by SCOTUS really made little sense since they did not actually address if DACA itself was constitutional, but narrowly struck down the Trump EO on procedural grounds.  The simple fact is the Congress has to act to solve or at least improve the immigration issue, but many, primarily the Dems do not want to act.  Some may say why wasn’t This covered in the 115th Congress when the GOP had both the House and the Senate, and I think part of the reason this did not occur then is that they were still processing the Trump victory, and all the peripheral issues that were going on due to the narratives that came from that.

[Dashinka 24,736]

15 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Half of Americans don't even understand the difference. I've had people who know someone who is here illegally ask how my wife got her green card and citizenship so they can help their friend. As if there is a parallel they could follow.

No doubt, I remember back when my now bride was trying to get a B2 visa and was rejected.  I had more than one person suggest having her fly to Mexico and sneak across the border.

[laylalex 7,300]

1 hour ago, Dashinka said:

No doubt, I remember back when my now bride was trying to get a B2 visa and was rejected.  I had more than one person suggest having her fly to Mexico and sneak across the border.

When I was petitioning my first husband, he assumed this is what should happen for him -- just come in on the VWP and adjust here because (wait for it) he came from a better nation than most. By his reasoning, the "better" the country, the less need to actually follow the rules which were in place for "lesser" countries.  

 

2 hours ago, Georgia16 said:

The illegals and daca if they become citizens

 

That's a really, really long term plan though, and would require a lot more political capital than undocumented people and DACA recipients have in real life. What's the short term payoff right now?

 

Legal immigration is ignored because it's boring and complicated and can't be boiled down into a snippet that is easily digested. I mean, it's not like the whole premise of 90 Day Fiance is even correct -- you have 90 days to decide to get married or the non-USC has to leave? No -- you need to already know you ARE going to get married, and if you file outside the 90 days, you go out of status and need to file yet more paperwork and pay yet more fees. Overstays and people who entered without leave have a narrative that's easier to understand and "sexier" -- you aren't here with permission (at all or any longer), and you've built up what looks like an American life, so why should a piece of paper stand in the way? It sets up a hero, or at least a put-upon underdog, and a villain. People like those kind of stories. The "and then I had to file an AOS packet, and there were all these forms that started with an "I-" and then we waited for a year and then..." story is boring, even if it's not boring to us because it's our lives.

[OrihimeandIchigo 216]

15 minutes ago, laylalex said:

When I was petitioning my first husband, he assumed this is what should happen for him -- just come in on the VWP and adjust here because (wait for it) he came from a better nation than most. By his reasoning, the "better" the country, the less need to actually follow the rules which were in place for "lesser" countries.  

 

That's a really, really long term plan though, and would require a lot more political capital than undocumented people and DACA recipients have in real life. What's the short term payoff right now?

 

Legal immigration is ignored because it's boring and complicated and can't be boiled down into a snippet that is easily digested. I mean, it's not like the whole premise of 90 Day Fiance is even correct -- you have 90 days to decide to get married or the non-USC has to leave? No -- you need to already know you ARE going to get married, and if you file outside the 90 days, you go out of status and need to file yet more paperwork and pay yet more fees. Overstays and people who entered without leave have a narrative that's easier to understand and "sexier" -- you aren't here with permission (at all or any longer), and you've built up what looks like an American life, so why should a piece of paper stand in the way? It sets up a hero, or at least a put-upon underdog, and a villain. People like those kind of stories. The "and then I had to file an AOS packet, and there were all these forms that started with an "I-" and then we waited for a year and then..." story is boring, even if it's not boring to us because it's our lives.

WOW thank you for this. It was a well written and articulate read. I think you nailed the reason why society doesn't care about or care to understand legal immigration. 

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

11 hours ago, OrihimeandIchigo said:

After I read a recent article I got to wondering, why is there so much talk ALWAYS in the US media, internet and social activist's for Illegal immigrants and letting them be forgiven and ease their path towards citizenship, when so MANY people play by the system, wait years and years pay a lot of money and are separated from love ones doing things the legal way.  But no one talks about legal immigration. Why? How can we change this?

 

No protest's, no social activist's all over social media constantly yelling to change the system to make it easier, faster or cheaper for legal immigration. Why?

 

I read a recent article from a man whose parents were legal immigrants who petition him their underage son for years and applied multiple times and they spent much money and told him over and over America owes you nothing we will be grateful to be in America and then he finally got accepted and they did everything the legal way, and he was upset that Americans would forgive so many DACA recipients and illegals but there was no bleeding hearts for legal immigration or protest for change. And it got me thinking. 

 

Where is the bleeding hearts for Legal immigration like society has for Illegal immigration? 

Some people really want to see the US wrecked, for their own personal prejudices. Others prefer the sub-par income illegals fetch on the market. There's different segments in play here, but all in all, they really hate Trump, and really hate long standing enforcement of policies on who can be an American. Think of it like a convergence of the deranged. 

 

Illegals are a good demographic for certain politicians, because politicians view people as a "market", and those politicians would be "first movers" on that market. It also represents a cultural shift, and for some, they want nothing more than a cultural war, those who respect American laws and customs (legal immigrants) are not of much use. 

[Dashinka 24,736]

4 hours ago, laylalex said:

When I was petitioning my first husband, he assumed this is what should happen for him -- just come in on the VWP and adjust here because (wait for it) he came from a better nation than most. By his reasoning, the "better" the country, the less need to actually follow the rules which were in place for "lesser" countries.  

 

That's a really, really long term plan though, and would require a lot more political capital than undocumented people and DACA recipients have in real life. What's the short term payoff right now?

 

Legal immigration is ignored because it's boring and complicated and can't be boiled down into a snippet that is easily digested. I mean, it's not like the whole premise of 90 Day Fiance is even correct -- you have 90 days to decide to get married or the non-USC has to leave? No -- you need to already know you ARE going to get married, and if you file outside the 90 days, you go out of status and need to file yet more paperwork and pay yet more fees. Overstays and people who entered without leave have a narrative that's easier to understand and "sexier" -- you aren't here with permission (at all or any longer), and you've built up what looks like an American life, so why should a piece of paper stand in the way? It sets up a hero, or at least a put-upon underdog, and a villain. People like those kind of stories. The "and then I had to file an AOS packet, and there were all these forms that started with an "I-" and then we waited for a year and then..." story is boring, even if it's not boring to us because it's our lives.

I always wonder about those that come to the US, but claim where they came from is a much better place. Of course most of us already know the back story of the ex, but this was a little enlightening all the same.

[laylalex 7,300]

27 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

I always wonder about those that come to the US, but claim where they came from is a much better place. Of course most of us already know the back story of the ex, but this was a little enlightening all the same.

Well, he liked it well enough when he got here to become a citizen. He was converted! It is kind of a stereotype of British people that they say they love America because they came here on vacation and loved it (usually Disney World) but when they come here to live, they find it isn't the dream they expected it to be. He was kind of the opposite -- he hated it here when he visited, but over time he found that he is actually better suited to the US than Britain and he can't really think of moving back long term.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

8 hours ago, Georgia16 said:

The illegals and daca if they become citizens

 

Don't forget the USC family members 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

5 hours ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Some people really want to see the US wrecked, for their own personal prejudices. Others prefer the sub-par income illegals fetch on the market. There's different segments in play here, but all in all, they really hate Trump, and really hate long standing enforcement of policies on who can be an American. Think of it like a convergence of the deranged. 

 

Illegals are a good demographic for certain politicians, because politicians view people as a "market", and those politicians would be "first movers" on that market. It also represents a cultural shift, and for some, they want nothing more than a cultural war, those who respect American laws and customs (legal immigrants) are not of much use. 

This is a good aspect of it as well here. Because many politicians in both sides get paid off by big business so that they can look the other way on illegal immigration. All the while those businesses hire illegals for cheap with no benefits, or supposedly hiring hiring "legal immigrants or USCs" but don't even look at their paperwork long enough to see that it's fake or they just don't care because how little they are paying them.

[TBoneTX 45,957]

14 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

allow law abiding illegals that are firmly rooted in our society to stay. Only after we fix illegal immigration.

"Sure, Kid; you can stay... as long as you turn in your lawbreaking parents for immediate deportation."

[Sparkle Sparkle 914]

Personally, I think illegals or people that cross the border illegally should not be allowed to stay...they should not even be given a path to become legal...if they refuse to leave the country themselves they should be deported. There's a reason immigration law exist, and America as a great country has given a lot of opportunities and different visa classes to allow people come in legally. It makes no sense that law abiding citizens pay a lot of money and wait in line  to bring their spouses ,fiance's and family members here..while all illegal immigrants have to do is have the balls to cross the border or overstay  visitors visas...it also makes no sense that B1/B2 visas that are allowed max 6 months stay can magically find love adjust status (we all know there's a game cheat right there)....if you a student it's ok and if you have a visa that allows you to stay more than a year then it's also ok to adjust status. The sheer number of people that adjust using visitors visa or makes doing things the right way and applying for immigrant visa look stupid.

Illegals immigrants are law breakers....so the question is do we allow foreigners to break our laws and encourage them with a path to be legal?

Edited June 30, 2020 by Sparkle Sparkle

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

21 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Half of Americans don't even understand the difference. I've had people who know someone who is here illegally ask how my wife got her green card and citizenship so they can help their friend. As if there is a parallel they could follow.

The big problem is that once you start talking about the intricacies of it all you can see their eyes gloss over in literally real time. 

Edited June 30, 2020 by Cyberfx1024

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

7 hours ago, Sparkle Sparkle said:

Personally, I think illegals or people that cross the border illegally should not be allowed to stay...they should not even be given a path to become legal...if they refuse to leave the country themselves they should be deported. There's a reason immigration law exist, and America as a great country has given a lot of opportunities and different visa classes to allow people come in legally. It makes no sense that law abiding citizens pay a lot of money and wait in line  to bring their spouses ,fiance's and family members here..while all illegal immigrants have to do is have the balls to cross the border or overstay  visitors visas...it also makes no sense that B1/B2 visas that are allowed max 6 months stay can magically find love adjust status (we all know there's a game cheat right there)....if you a student it's ok and if you have a visa that allows you to stay more than a year then it's also ok to adjust status. The sheer number of people that adjust using visitors visa or makes doing things the right way and applying for immigrant visa look stupid.

Illegals immigrants are law breakers....so the question is do we allow foreigners to break our laws and encourage them with a path to be legal?

I can tell you that one of the biggest things that draws many people to either come illegally or overstay their visas is birthright citizenship. When my wife first heard about that she thought it was crazy..... Because in the Philippines and other countries she lived in they don't have that. They even had a controversy in 2016 because one of the Presidential candidates was given up as a orphan when she was baby. So they had to determine if she is a Philippine citizen or not. It didn't matter that she was a Senator before that. Oh yeah they raised a stink about her husband being a GC holder as well and he had to relinquish it. 

[Boiler 45,949]

US was addicted to slaves and when that went away Illegals were the next best thing, a number of studies have shown that Illegals are actually more cost effective than Slaves.