Trump To Suspend H-1B and Other Visas Until End Of Year

[Orangesapples 1,954]

10 hours ago, Allovertheworld said:

This would get him many new voters

 

I remember when he tried to get H1B suspended or greatly reduced years ago.

 

I myself think we need to get rid of H1B, way too many companies take advantage of it and it cost US workers.  I live in area full of IT workers, and  are a lots of H1B workers in my area.  I have numerous friends and neighbors in the IT field and it pretty common place  to have your job taken over by a H1B Visa holder who get paid a lot less.  

I agree that most H1B visas are used to help corporations exploit cheaper foreign labor that is stuck with them and can't leave easily, basically indentured servitude. But what companies are really saving money from is outsourcing - Mexico, China, India, Vietnam, etc. There are enough people there that will agree to work in worse conditions for less pay. Even the companies that are not terrible are still saving money this way and often they don't have much choice because all the competition is doing it already and they can't beat the price. 

[Orangesapples 1,954]

5 hours ago, nativeson said:

Good. The purpose of the H1B program is wage arbitration, which is really unnecessary considering the unemployment situation right now. The majority of H1B recipients make below median wages, at the lowest possible tiers (below 17th and 34th percentile), and the LCA requirement is not enforced. Anyone interested in the facts on H1B should read this paper that came out recently:

 

https://www.epi.org/publication/h-1b-visas-and-prevailing-wage-levels/

 

 

Some of us have worked with H1B visas and know exactly what you mean... It's not good for the migrant worker (they're getting exploited quite often and they're one lay off away from having to uproot their entire family), it's not good for the domestic workers, but it's great for corporations. 

[Orangesapples 1,954]

4 hours ago, WantABetterLife said:

This is a common misconception about H1B spread by anti immigrant groups. I’m surprised to find this rhetoric here in a forum that helps immigrants. There are two types of H1Bs, highly skilled with masters or PHD from an American university. Go to any top STEM school, you will find majority of students to be international. These students later convert from OPT to H1B.
 

These jobs typically require graduate level degree, which is hard to find among Americans. The other kind of H1B is from consulting companies, typically from outsourcing companies bringing their employees on board. If you abolish H1B, these jobs will simply be outsourced. Companies will loose talent on important projects. The H1B median wage is $80k. So forget taxes. Most of these jobs will be simply moved to Canada or India. The 3 million unemployed are mostly from restaurants and other low wage workers completely unrelated to H1B. All this potential EO does is to get some brownie points among his xenophobic anti immigrant base who doesn’t want high skilled brown immigrants in this country.
 

I myself have a masters degree from a top US university and working on H1B and earn a salary of $110k plus bonuses. I didn’t steal anyone’s job. In fact the very first requirement of getting a H1B is to prove to USCIS that you can’t find any American to fill the job. They have gotten pretty strict about it recently. I was hired solely because my knowledge in my field. All my friends in H1B have a similar story.

There are undoubtedly really skilled people on H1B visas but I've worked with some that are supposed to be of the specialist kind and they're good workers but nothing that a regular American with a college degree can't do. 

 

I don't support the rhetoric that H1B people are stealing anyone's job. But I think a lot of companies are using migrant workers to depress wages and have someone that can't easily leave so that they can exploit them. 

 

It's not just restaurant workers that are unemployed now. Manufacturing was in a recession before the virus and now it's even worse. People are getting laid off left and right from all types of industries. 

[Cathi 5,771]

Of course Trump will make exceptions for some, he depends on hundreds these low wage workers to work at his resorts. This is yet another political stunt for Mango Mussolini.

[Captain Ewok 1,899]

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[Patty1993 10]

4 hours ago, laylalex said:

Well, as someone who is getting married later this year to an L1B visa holder, an L1B visa holder who is due to have his visa extended this year, I'm worried. VERY worried. My fiance's work has said they have everything in hand, but I cannot tell whether this ban applies to people who are new applicants only or people who are already here and extending. Now of course we could just get married if that's the case, but of course that means we have to wait for his EAD to be processed in order for him to work again. His company will lose a team member they value tremendously and we will lose our sole source of earned income (I don't work at the moment -- we moved down here from the Bay Area in January when his location was transferred, and when I was ready to start working, COVID19 hit). Also I had a number of financial plates spinning to coincide with our marriage in October -- if we have to marry sooner, we'll lose out on a sizeable amount of money I earmarked for other purposes. 

 

It's just more anti-immigrant BS in an election year designed to play to people who think foreigners are coming here to take their jobs. Just my opinion.

They are worried about them taking jobs they don't want to do or are unqualified for. "I make more on unemployment then I would be making while working!" - MangoMan's voter pool 😂

[Cody&Razely 134]

1 hour ago, Orangesapples said:

I agree that most H1B visas are used to help corporations exploit cheaper foreign labor that is stuck with them and can't leave easily, basically indentured servitude. But what companies are really saving money from is outsourcing - Mexico, China, India, Vietnam, etc. There are enough people there that will agree to work in worse conditions for less pay. Even the companies that are not terrible are still saving money this way and often they don't have much choice because all the competition is doing it already and they can't beat the price. 

Yep, that's my stance as well to some extent. The Temp. work visa's by and large are not the problem i.e. they have no more impact now as they did ever before. Besides you cut off outsourcing 100% and make the repercussions so intolerable that no company would viably do it anymore, then you have low estimates 1Mil more US jobs, then who is going to sneer at 65k Temp work visas?

And not all outsourced jobs are low income either, that may be the majority but not all there is.

Edited June 22, 2020 by Cody&Razely

[Sparkle Sparkle 914]

Banning those visa classes will not bring back jobs to America. 

[vincentlina 74]

7 hours ago, WantABetterLife said:

This is a common misconception about H1B spread by anti immigrant groups. I’m surprised to find this rhetoric here in a forum that helps immigrants. There are two types of H1Bs, highly skilled with masters or PHD from an American university. Go to any top STEM school, you will find majority of students to be international. These students later convert from OPT to H1B.
 

These jobs typically require graduate level degree, which is hard to find among Americans. The other kind of H1B is from consulting companies, typically from outsourcing companies bringing their employees on board. If you abolish H1B, these jobs will simply be outsourced. Companies will loose talent on important projects. The H1B median wage is $80k. So forget taxes. Most of these jobs will be simply moved to Canada or India. The 3 million unemployed are mostly from restaurants and other low wage workers completely unrelated to H1B. All this potential EO does is to get some brownie points among his xenophobic anti immigrant base who doesn’t want high skilled brown immigrants in this country.
 

I myself have a masters degree from a top US university and working on H1B and earn a salary of $110k plus bonuses. I didn’t steal anyone’s job. In fact the very first requirement of getting a H1B is to prove to USCIS that you can’t find any American to fill the job. They have gotten pretty strict about it recently. I was hired solely because my knowledge in my field. All my friends in H1B have a similar story.

Thank you for your common-sense and "fact" based analysis/opinion. When I was completing my Masters in technology from one of the top universities in Massachusetts, I could literally count the number of Americans who were part of my class. Many of my classmates were International students (India, China, Middle East, Europe, etc.) The percentage of American (particularly white) was equal or less in most of my classes (during my entire academic period in school). The point being, statistically, American employers are forced to hire many of these students (via H1B). So when you look at the raw facts mathematically -- American workers are not being displaced. Every single American (white or otherwise) who works in technology at least, can find one if they so choose. If you are an American complaining about "competing" with foreign skilled workers -- you are either too lazy to compete or simply doing so out of other fears (usually cultural).

 

My second point relative to your comment is that when a LPR sponsor their spouse -- it takes several months for that individual (spouse) to be ready to be assimilated into the American workforce. They have have to wait several months (it took me appx. 9 months) to get a green card. And after being rejected for 3 months to get a job (with a Masters and 20yrs in IT) as a green card resident, I started my own IT consultancy. News flash: many corporations actually "prefer" to hire Americans -- not LPRs. Therefore during this "waiting" period to be a recognize an American resident (with employment benefits), immigrant spouses cannot take a job (so there is very little possibility of them taking away jobs opportunities from USC. Besides, let's say many immigrant spouses gets their authorization to work (green card/ssn) within 3 months, who is going to hire them? Most employers who have been forced to shut down, will try and rehire their existing laid off employees (not look for new workers). Secondly, those that received loans from the Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) are mandated to "re-hire" their existing furloughed employees. Again, very little opportunity for freshly minted green card holders to come in and swoop away these jobs. And most high skilled American and H1B workers did not loose their jobs anyways. So this EO does nothing for this group.

 

This whole EO is a farce and like everything else this administration has done, it is never based on facts or scientific validity or for the betterment of America  as a whole -- it is all done through the prism of political gain solely for one man (not even his followers benefit). This EO does nothing to help Americans get back on their feet -- what he needs is an EO on stopping the spread of the virus. That is the only way jobs are going to come back again at sustainable levels.

[SalishSea 17,970]

17 minutes ago, vincentlina said:

Many of my classmates were International students (India, China, Middle East, Europe, etc.) The percentage of American (particularly white) was equal or less in most of my classes (during my entire academic period in school)

I think it is worth noting here that this is often not a reflection of American student interest or academic ability.  When equally qualified students are considered, foreign students net the universities significantly more money.

Edited June 22, 2020 by Jorgedig

[Trutta 103]

4 hours ago, DeenieBae said:

slaves had no wages 

https://www.nytimes.com/1986/07/06/books/from-slavery-to-slave-wages.html

[Trutta 103]

4 hours ago, Cody&Razely said:

😶 ......uhm ........ 🤔 hmmmm. Maybe try rephrasing that into something coherent.

Okay, by the number.

 

1. immigration by relatives is banned "to protect jobs".

 

2. immigration by highly skilled workers is banned "to protect jobs".

 

3. asylum seeking refugees are banned because "they are a danger".

 

4. Au pairs who take care of well off people's houses and children for next to no money are still welcome.

 

5. Desperately poor Latino agricultural workers who pick fruit and vegetables for next to nothing are still welcome, at least while it's time to pick the fruit and vegetables on large corporate owned farms.

[African Zealot 1,455]

A useless last minute gesture by a man grasping at straws. Empty grand gestures

[sl1pstream 551]

23 minutes ago, Ray.Bonaquist said:

A useless last minute gesture by a man grasping at straws. Empty grand gestures

The one thing that scares me right now, more than anything else, are the reports that he's mad about the low attendance at his rally. The same rally that was supposed to counter him being mad over the polls that say that he'd lose to Biden.

 

I'm scared that he's going to go over the top with this EO, because he's grasping at straws. He thinks he needs to get his base back and if rallies don't work and the economy is a mess because of the virus, immigration seems to be the thing to go after. As an added bonus he can blame the virus and the economy on those immigrants.

Edited June 22, 2020 by sl1pstream

[Sparkle Sparkle 914]

Most of all, If the EO will be extended I would like the EO to list every visa that can be processed and those that cant be processed not just by categories ....but by their designations like K1,J1 etc so we can just stop being confused about these things.