Fox News poll: Biden's lead widens to 12 points over Trump

[laylalex 7,284]

7 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Me and a buddy just talking about the same thing. I do think Trump needs to be a little more professional, but still destroy him. No name calling etc

Nature Boy, do you really think he is capable of doing that after all this time? I don't think it's in his character. I've seen him control himself for a while and then he chafes at being polite and lashes out. Personally I would love to see a more professional Trump. I do not think he is an evil man, but I think he is misguided and gets hung up on minor, adolescent distractions like the ramp, or the stupid Elton John CD. There are things that his administration can and should be proud of, and you have listed some of them. But these things get drowned out when he is screaming about BS on Twitter. He's surrounded himself with people who enable this, and it turns a lot of people off. How many times have you seen people write "I really hate the tweeting"? He might be doing better in polls if he could calm down. 

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

24 minutes ago, laylalex said:

Nature Boy, do you really think he is capable of doing that after all this time? I don't think it's in his character. I've seen him control himself for a while and then he chafes at being polite and lashes out. Personally I would love to see a more professional Trump. I do not think he is an evil man, but I think he is misguided and gets hung up on minor, adolescent distractions like the ramp, or the stupid Elton John CD. There are things that his administration can and should be proud of, and you have listed some of them. But these things get drowned out when he is screaming about BS on Twitter. He's surrounded himself with people who enable this, and it turns a lot of people off. How many times have you seen people write "I really hate the tweeting"? He might be doing better in polls if he could calm down. 

many on the left are fixated on trump.  his twitter account gives them something to watch and talk about.  i think trump is playing the left like a fiddle.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

1 hour ago, laylalex said:

Nature Boy, do you really think he is capable of doing that after all this time? I don't think it's in his character. I've seen him control himself for a while and then he chafes at being polite and lashes out. Personally I would love to see a more professional Trump. I do not think he is an evil man, but I think he is misguided and gets hung up on minor, adolescent distractions like the ramp, or the stupid Elton John CD. There are things that his administration can and should be proud of, and you have listed some of them. But these things get drowned out when he is screaming about BS on Twitter. He's surrounded himself with people who enable this, and it turns a lot of people off. How many times have you seen people write "I really hate the tweeting"? He might be doing better in polls if he could calm down. 

I agree for the most part. The ramp thing was to illustrate just how much the fake news attacks him over stupid stuff, he was right to call them out on it as it was headline new at CNN with all sorts of nefarious implications

[laylalex 7,284]

1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I agree for the most part. The ramp thing was to illustrate just how much the fake news attacks him over stupid stuff, he was right to call them out on it as it was headline new at CNN with all sorts of nefarious implications

But you have heard of the Streisand Effect, right? He could address it once and be done with it. He's addressed it multiple times now. When you take the oxygen out, the flame of attention tends to snuff itself out. It's not important at all, and if he wants to be seen as strong and healthy, drawing attention to it again and again isn't helping. It really is a nonissue and he should give it the attention it is due, which is zero.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

39 minutes ago, laylalex said:

But you have heard of the Streisand Effect, right? He could address it once and be done with it. He's addressed it multiple times now. When you take the oxygen out, the flame of attention tends to snuff itself out. It's not important at all, and if he wants to be seen as strong and healthy, drawing attention to it again and again isn't helping. It really is a nonissue and he should give it the attention it is due, which is zero.

Once again its an issue becuse the Trump hating fake news press made it a big one. Its very important he point out how unfair they are

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

The Streisand effect is about making something more popular by trying to forcefully bury or prevent the publicizing of it. The key is coercive force.

 

The media's invention of something as news and Trump bashing/making fun of it/monetizing it is neither burying it in coercive fashion, nor is it making it more popular. Neither parts to fulfill the Streisand effect are present. Its peak popularity was the day it was conjured and it quickly dropped like a ####### in the toilet. 

 

 

 

[laylalex 7,284]

I don't know why I keep repeating myself about something that I'm complaining about not needing repeating, but really, addressing the issue head on, minimizing it and then ignoring it is standard procedure for these kinds of things. Who is actually talking about, say, Tara Reade at the moment? Alex asked me about her last night -- "What's happening with that Reade person?" And I said wow, completely forgot about her. Why? Because no one is talking about her, for better or worse. That includes Trump's team. The Biden team addressed it (not very well in my opinion) and minimized it. There was a lot of sound for a few weeks and now? Silence. Again, for better or worse I really don't know. 

 

This is sort of standard operating procedure. Address it, minimize it, act like it doesn't exist. Maybe it's from growing up near Hollywood with a gazillion celebrity "scandals" that I'm used to seeing this again and again. Only the big ones stick. God, there are a bunch of actors who have killed people in vehicular manslaughters (hello Matthew Broderick/Vince Neil/Caitlin Jenner)! Life goes on. The ramp thing is so dumb and if he ignored it now -- he has addressed it head on and minimized it, repeatedly -- it would die. 

 

And fine, it is the inverse of the Streisand effect. But honestly, why do his people not understand crisis management skills? This isn't even a crisis -- this is a self-inflicted wound.

 

Also Google searches don't actually show the totality of whether or not people are talking about something -- they only show how many times something has been searched so it's one data point. And unless I am reading that wrong, that graph shows searches went UP on June 20th, which was the date of his speech in Tulsa. The incident happened on June 14th, which isn't on your chart. What was it like on the 14th? Because if it was high on the 14th and then dropped afterwards (which looking at that graph it looks like it did), then it could very well be that the spike happened because Trump talked about it himself.

Edited June 23, 2020 by laylalex

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

All y'all expecting Trump to act more "presidential" is kind of funny.  He doesn't act that way because he's a NYC contractor.  Harsh, blunt, brash, potty-mouthed... and he got things done where others failed.  In NYC, it often takes years to get a permit to erect a new building, yet Trump had the thing built within a year or two.

 

He is effective as president too, but just like many in NYC were jealous of him, so they are in his current role.

[Dashinka 24,493]

1 minute ago, Voice of Reason said:

All y'all expecting Trump to act more "presidential" is kind of funny.  He doesn't act that way because he's a NYC contractor.  Harsh, blunt, brash, potty-mouthed... and he got things done where others failed.  In NYC, it often takes years to get a permit to erect a new building, yet Trump had the thing built within a year or two.

 

He is effective as president too, but just like many in NYC were jealous of him, so they are in his current role.

I think it is a little more than jealousy.  I think it has more to do with the elite incestuous relationships that abound in DC between the elected leaders and the Beltway media.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

4 hours ago, Dashinka said:

I think it is a little more than jealousy.  I think it has more to do with the elite incestuous relationships that abound in DC between the elected leaders and the Beltway media.

Right?

 

And it comes from how the function of media has "evolved", but not for the better, just in a far more corrupt and controlling fashion. It was normal to have a "source" in the government, good faith actions to keep the government in check, it's another when it's an insider relationship where the media person/people become(s) a perpetual conduit for government derived counterintelligence operations against their very own elected officials they're supposed to be working for. Then it is a type of soft coup. 

 

All this because some power hungry idiots (and other power/money hungry idiots) believe they are the ones that shape America's destiny rather than voters. Even as an educated person myself who's done very well in life, I have zero respect for this elite. 

 

The #1 thing I am adamant about though is that people should stop blaming these problems on other things. If the system sucks, and the system derives from the voters, it's quite clear it's the voters who suck. If the media sucks, but the media gets high ratings, it's the viewers who suck. One of the most frustrating thing in my life about American society is the incessant blame shifting. For generations conservatives, liberals, et al. allowed ourselves to be taught that you don't need to be personally responsible, you can just be a screw-up making nothing but awful choices and it's someone else's fault. Then, magically, some government person rides in on a white horse declaring to be a problem solver that 99% of the time wrecks something else and makes the actual problem supposed to be addressed even worse. Not to worry, they've got an even better solution this time, more government! People, on both sides, basically have to stop being suckers being lulled into collectivist groupthink and start learning to be individuals again.

Edited June 23, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds