Truck Drivers Say They Won’t Deliver To Cities with Defunded Police Departments

[laylalex 7,300]

17 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

Definition of defund

transitive verb

: to withdraw funding from
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/defund

words have meaning.  when someone says defunded, that  means no money allocated for the police.  which means no police as the police must be paid.

perhaps "refocused" would be a better term to use?

I agree with you! The word choice is not effective here. I think a lot of people would agree that the police should be focused on important issues about crime and public order. Helping people in the middle of a psychotic episode is one of the many tasks they are expected to do, and they really shouldn't have to. They have enough to do already.

[Dashinka 24,740]

4 hours ago, laylalex said:

I agree with you! The word choice is not effective here. I think a lot of people would agree that the police should be focused on important issues about crime and public order. Helping people in the middle of a psychotic episode is one of the many tasks they are expected to do, and they really shouldn't have to. They have enough to do already.

And yet the police are the ones that are called and are expected to respond when there is 911 call with a psychotic individual.  

[Neonred 3,632]

Hmm, what's the real issue here? 

 

When police stop you because they suspect there may be a problem, what should you do? 

Stay calm and cooperate?

Or run?

Or resist?

Or maybe grab the cops gun?

[Sparkle Sparkle 914]

I dont think it should be defunded....A reform will do

[yuna628 9,700]

3 hours ago, Neonred said:

Hmm, what's the real issue here? 

 

When police stop you because they suspect there may be a problem, what should you do? 

Stay calm and cooperate?

Or run?

Or resist?

Or maybe grab the cops gun?

If a man can be shot and killed while being a legal gun owner and calmly attempting to tell an officer of such... and if a man can be killed while being calm and cooperating... there's not a lot someone can do. There are not many situations where a person wonders if their 'staying calm and cooperation' won't be good enough and they'll wind up dead.

 

That's not to mention cops stopping individuals for no reason whatsoever, killing innocent people with car chases, no knock warrants to the wrong house, swatting, and planting 'evidence'. My husband works with plenty of former cops and that have real hard stories to tell, but at the same time they see other cops and agencies not being held to a high standard.

 

Just additional thoughts: a person that is drunk and on drugs.. even a person that is special needs or having a psychological problem has a high probability of not being aware of their actions.

Edited June 14, 2020 by yuna628

[Ban Hammer 13,491]

[Steeleballz 7,550]

15 hours ago, Dashinka said:

Sure, there is always a price.

 

    I'm sure there are already places drivers don't want to deliver to, but the economic reality is someone will if they want to make a living. Every driver in the country can't deliver to Coeur d'aLene.

 

   We have one hospital locally that everyone wants to work at, and another one where no one wants to go. The latter has high turnover, but they are both still fully staffed. Nobody ever says only the crappy place is left, so I'd rather just sit at home and not make any money.

[laylalex 7,300]

9 hours ago, Dashinka said:

And yet the police are the ones that are called and are expected to respond when there is 911 call with a psychotic individual.  

Which is kind of my point? Why should the police be the ones to handle situations like these when healthcare professionals are better trained to assess and address these kind of situations? The police shouldn't need to be the solution to every problem -- it's a lazy policy decision, and an expensive one. Police have a tough enough job without being jacks of all trade.

[Dashinka 24,740]

1 hour ago, laylalex said:

Which is kind of my point? Why should the police be the ones to handle situations like these when healthcare professionals are better trained to assess and address these kind of situations? The police shouldn't need to be the solution to every problem -- it's a lazy policy decision, and an expensive one. Police have a tough enough job without being jacks of all trade.

Because police are duty sworn to respond when called, healthcare providers are not.  In addition, there is a CYA aspect such as schools which really do not want to impart any form of discipline, so when they have an unruly student, what do they do, call the police.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

4 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Because police are duty sworn to respond when called, healthcare providers are not.  In addition, there is a CYA aspect such as schools which really do not want to impart any form of discipline, so when they have an unruly student, what do they do, call the police.

Healthcare providers will quickly be quitting as well if they're sent in place of the police to situations like that. People calling 911 tend to omit certain necessary information, which is why police attend. Healthcare providers would be sacrificial lambs to woke methodology of policing. 

[laylalex 7,300]

6 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Because police are duty sworn to respond when called, healthcare providers are not.  In addition, there is a CYA aspect such as schools which really do not want to impart any form of discipline, so when they have an unruly student, what do they do, call the police.

So what is stopping the swearing in of other people? Plenty of people who are not law enforcement take oaths. 

 

I went to a high school that didn't have police officers, though I understand it does now. It wasn't always this way. Putting more money and more resources in dealing with problems without criminalizing them is a way to help police focus on real problems. 

 

I have never said there isn't a role for police to play in situations like schools. But why has our culture moved towards putting cops everywhere? Why don't other countries do this? Why can't we imagine a different way of managing our communities? What is the point in criminalizing everything?

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

6 hours ago, yuna628 said:

If a man can be shot and killed while being a legal gun owner and calmly attempting to tell an officer of such... and if a man can be killed while being calm and cooperating... there's not a lot someone can do. There are not many situations where a person wonders if their 'staying calm and cooperation' won't be good enough and they'll wind up dead.

 

That's not to mention cops stopping individuals for no reason whatsoever, killing innocent people with car chases, no knock warrants to the wrong house, swatting, and planting 'evidence'. My husband works with plenty of former cops and that have real hard stories to tell, but at the same time they see other cops and agencies not being held to a high standard.

 

Just additional thoughts: a person that is drunk and on drugs.. even a person that is special needs or having a psychological problem has a high probability of not being aware of their actions.

If one chooses to focus on the dozens of bad situations that happen with cops, particularly with bad cops, than to focus on the more than 50,000,000 police interactions that end satisfactorily, then of course one can make it seem like the police are out of control.

 

I recently had a run-in with the po-po.  Guns drawn and aimed at me, though I had no idea why.  But I followed instructions, was handcuffed, followed by my wife, and we quickly cleared up the matter.  Know what I DIDN'T  do?  I didn't argue, back-talk the cops, nor did I do anything they didn't tell me to.  And I'm still here to talk about it.  When tensions are high, remaining calm is almost always the best way to behave. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 minute ago, laylalex said:

 

I have never said there isn't a role for police to play in situations like schools. But why has our culture moved towards putting cops everywhere? Why don't other countries do this? Why can't we imagine a different way of managing our communities? What is the point in criminalizing everything?

Because as time has progressed, each generation seems to care less about the belongings and lives of others.  In my day, we had guns and knives in school and no one was ever hurt. Today, we have cops in schools because those with a lack of respect for human life are willing to use deadly force against their fellow humans.

[laylalex 7,300]

Just now, Burnt Reynolds said:

Healthcare providers will quickly be quitting as well if they're sent in place of the police to situations like that. People calling 911 tend to omit certain necessary information, which is why police attend. Healthcare providers would be sacrificial lambs to woke methodology of policing. 

I posted earlier about my experience yesterday in Los Angeles with the type of people who do help in these situations without involving the police. A member of the BID arrived to assess, and an ambulance followed. It was an overdose, the guy was not conscious. My first thought was to call the police, but I was told that in that neighborhood, the BID is the point of triage for these kinds of situations. 

 

Oh well, I know that we all have differing views, and mine is evolving to see a future of public safety that is more expansive and includes more than the police. We can disagree.  

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

4 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

If one chooses to focus on the dozens of bad situations that happen with cops, particularly with bad cops, than to focus on the more than 50,000,000 police interactions that end satisfactorily, then of course one can make it seem like the police are out of control.

 

I recently had a run-in with the po-po.  Guns drawn and aimed at me, though I had no idea why.  But I followed instructions, was handcuffed, followed by my wife, and we quickly cleared up the matter.  Know what I DIDN'T  do?  I didn't argue, back-talk the cops, nor did I do anything they didn't tell me to.  And I'm still here to talk about it.  When tensions are high, remaining calm is almost always the best way to behave. 

Behaving in a self-preserving way is white privilege.