RFE Russian Marriage Certificate

[Wcalmt1 34]

I just got  RFE's they are saying something is wrong with our Marriage licence.  I think our layer sent in a black and white copy could that be the only thing?   also something about the daughters Birth certificates.  Any Help will be greatly appreciated.

 

 

Color Marriageedited.pdf

[igoyougoduke 1,662]

what does the RFE say ?

[Wcalmt1 34]

10 minutes ago, James120383 said:

what does the RFE say ?

It says Submit Marriage,   It says they acknowledge the receipt of the  Certificate of marriage for us.   Then it goes on to say that the document we submitted was not valid for immigration purposes.  It says it must include the date of registration and the signature of the registrar, Then they list the guidelines, And as far as I can see the only thing that was, off is the copy was in black and white,  not color.       There was also something it said about the bursar difficult for one of her, now our, daughters.   Daughters were born in Tajikistan.  They say the issuing authority should be ministry of Justice,  The translation listed as department of righting the acts of civil condition.   I just noted a typo in the translation.  And it says the title of the Issuing authority personnel, Should be ministry of Justice.  On the translation of the burst certificate it says manager of the division writing the acts of civil condition.

[Lenchick 133]

6 hours ago, Wcalmt1 said:

It says Submit Marriage,   It says they acknowledge the receipt of the  Certificate of marriage for us.   Then it goes on to say that the document we submitted was not valid for immigration purposes.  It says it must include the date of registration and the signature of the registrar, Then they list the guidelines, And as far as I can see the only thing that was, off is the copy was in black and white,  not color.       There was also something it said about the bursar difficult for one of her, now our, daughters.   Daughters were born in Tajikistan.  They say the issuing authority should be ministry of Justice,  The translation listed as department of righting the acts of civil condition.   I just noted a typo in the translation.  And it says the title of the Issuing authority personnel, Should be ministry of Justice.  On the translation of the burst certificate it says manager of the division writing the acts of civil condition.

you need Apostille on your originals, then do a good, clear copy. Instruction doesn't say they should be in color, but probably they don't believe your originals are real.

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Апостиль

 

you need to do it here http://to77.minjust.gov.ru/ru/node/2326

Edited June 10, 2020 by Lenchick

[Wcalmt1 34]

I don't think the copy was clear, there is a notary stamp/seal on it

[igoyougoduke 1,662]

10 hours ago, Wcalmt1 said:

It says Submit Marriage,   It says they acknowledge the receipt of the  Certificate of marriage for us.   Then it goes on to say that the document we submitted was not valid for immigration purposes.  It says it must include the date of registration and the signature of the registrar, Then they list the guidelines, And as far as I can see the only thing that was, off is the copy was in black and white,  not color.       There was also something it said about the bursar difficult for one of her, now our, daughters.   Daughters were born in Tajikistan.  They say the issuing authority should be ministry of Justice,  The translation listed as department of righting the acts of civil condition.   I just noted a typo in the translation.  And it says the title of the Issuing authority personnel, Should be ministry of Justice.  On the translation of the burst certificate it says manager of the division writing the acts of civil condition.

this is what is there on DOS  https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/Visa-Reciprocity-and-Civil-Documents-by-Country/Tajikistan.html. You need to meet the guidelines specified here . The reviewer will go by what is on this page 

 

[Wcalmt1 34]

4 hours ago, James120383 said:

this is what is there on DOS  https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/us-visas/Visa-Reciprocity-and-Civil-Documents-by-Country/Tajikistan.html. You need to meet the guidelines specified here . The reviewer will go by what is on this page 

 

 We were married in Russia

[Lenchick 133]

13 hours ago, Wcalmt1 said:

I don't think the copy was clear, there is a notary stamp/seal on it

you need Apostille. They don't believe your documents are real as I already said. If you send the same copy again, they will reject your petition. If you do have apostille, they will believe the documents are valid.  Notary stamp doesn't validate a document for other countries. If you could scan and send your RFE here without your name? Just the part where it talks about documents. 

[millefleur 5,047]

19 hours ago, Lenchick said:

you need Apostille. They don't believe your documents are real as I already said. If you send the same copy again, they will reject your petition. If you do have apostille, they will believe the documents are valid.  Notary stamp doesn't validate a document for other countries. If you could scan and send your RFE here without your name? Just the part where it talks about documents. 

I submitted my Russian marriage certificate without any apostilles and have never had an issue, we were married in Russia and our marriage certificate looks like exactly like the one the OP uploaded. My husband is currently waiting for Naturalization and we've never had an RFE asking for an apostille. So unless the rules have suddenly changed, it seems weird that this would be it.

 

 

@Wcalmt1 Can you scan the RFE part so we can see exactly what it says? 

Edited June 11, 2020 by millefleur

[Lenchick 133]

2 minutes ago, millefleur said:

I submitted my Russian marriage certificate without any apostilles and have never had an issue, we were married in Russia and our marriage certificate looks like exactly like the one the OP uploaded. My husband is currently waiting for Naturalization and we've never had an RFE asking for an apostille. So unless the rules have suddenly changed, it seems weird that this would be it.

 

 

@Wcalmt1 Can you scan the RFE part so we can see exactly what it says? 

It doesn’t matter if  you submitted with Apostille or not. Maybe they believed your certificate is real and they didn’t believe it was, in that particular case. If they say the marriage certificate is not valid for the purpose of immigration, it means they don’t believe the document is real. Maybe the stamp is not clear,  Maybe they assume  it’s fake? Maybe someone has a friend in the registry office, they paid and got this paper. Nothing bad about apostille. It only proves the validity of a document outside of the country it was issued in. I’m not saying this document is fake, just giving you an example. 

[Wcalmt1 34]

1 hour ago, Lenchick said:

It doesn’t matter if  you submitted with Apostille or not. Maybe they believed your certificate is real and they didn’t believe it was, in that particular case. If they say the marriage certificate is not valid for the purpose of immigration, it means they don’t believe the document is real. Maybe the stamp is not clear,  Maybe they assume  it’s fake? Maybe someone has a friend in the registry office, they paid and got this paper. Nothing bad about apostille. It only proves the validity of a document outside of the country it was issued in. I’m not saying this document is fake, just giving you an example. 

After examining the translations, I lol'd like I can see why.   The birth certificates all had the same error,  " the department of the division for "righting" civil..." they should say "Writing".   And the marriage certificate translations omitted the "ZAGS "  need new and better translations.   Any recommendations? 

[Lenchick 133]

4 hours ago, Wcalmt1 said:

After examining the translations, I lol'd like I can see why.   The birth certificates all had the same error,  " the department of the division for "righting" civil..." they should say "Writing".   And the marriage certificate translations omitted the "ZAGS "  need new and better translations.   Any recommendations? 

Whatever you mentioned “writing or righting” are both incorrect. They can read certificates in Russian. They have staff who speaks Russian. I assume If the problem was in translation they would‘ve stated so. You need to follow what they say in RFE and give them what they ask for. If you are confident the problem is in the translation, hire a professional to do it for you. It’s an easy job for a translator, just a standard document. 

Edited June 12, 2020 by Lenchick

[Wcalmt1 34]

We rarely ever used E-mail to communicate, I lost my phone in July of 2018, and the backup for Whatsapp, and Viber didn't work, I downloaded the chat history since I got my new phone and to print it out would be over 1500 pages.  We didn't have a reception because we left on our honeymoon the same day as the wedding.  My mind is all a jumble at the moment.  

[millefleur 5,047]

On 6/11/2020 at 7:43 PM, Wcalmt1 said:

After examining the translations, I lol'd like I can see why.   The birth certificates all had the same error,  " the department of the division for "righting" civil..." they should say "Writing".   And the marriage certificate translations omitted the "ZAGS "  need new and better translations.   Any recommendations? 

Get a better translation done and submit a color copy (since you mentioned black and white before). The translation should include everything, including what all the stamps and seals say...every last word should be translated. 

 

 

[Wcalmt1 34]

So would a Whatsapp chat history of over 1500 pages be enough proof that we communicate?