Redundant Forms

[pushbrk 13,172]

Facts are cheap...knowing how to use them is precious...
Understanding the big picture is priceless. Anonymous

 

The NVC stage is an opportunity to update and correct previously submitted information.  For example.  If a spouse petition is filed using a maiden name, that can be changed at the NVC stage for petitioner or beneficiary.  Consulate transfers are arranged at this stage when needed.  Address and employment history are updated.  Time sensitive documents and forms are submitted such as Police Certificates, Military records, and Financial information and forms.  A public charge (financial sponsorship) decision cannot be made based on financial information submitted many months before with a petition.

That's why there is a process to learn and follow.  We cannot blame anybody else if we don't make the effort to learn the process.  We're here to help people learn and follow the process, but a great responsibility falls on the petitioner and applicant to do their own homework too.

[geowrian 22,338]

1 hour ago, aus2tx said:

Man, I'm with you. I'm mad too! 10 years and counting and now everything is closed.

 

TBH the most redundant information I found was the DS260. Which was 90% of the questions asked on the I-130.

A lot of info on the DS-260 is redundant. But there are a valid reasons for that..

1) The information can (and often does) change between petition stage and NVC processing. Keep in mind the I-130 is used for family preference categories, which may have 2, 5-7, 12-15, 15-25+ year waits. Things change. People have kids, get married/divorced, etc. I get that some of this is less likely (but absolutely does happen) in an IR case, but everybody goes through the same process.

 

2) The forms with the I-130 packet are the responsibility of the petitioner. The items on the DS-260 are the responsibility of the beneficiary. Sometimes there are discrepancies and that can be proactively disclosed and resolved. But say somebody did want to lie...the beneficiary is not responsible for a material misrepresentation solely on the I-130. They are responsible if it is on the DS-260. (The I-130A may be a different story, but material misreps there seem much less likely IMO).

I'll give one example: prior marriages. It's not unheard of for somebody to not disclose a prior marriage to the petitioner. But when they don't list it on the DS-260, now they can be held responsible for it. They're not held responsible by the USG for lying to their spouse (who fills in the I-130 incorrectly as a result), but they are held responsible for lying to immigration on the DS-260.

 

Anyway, that's a different issue than what the OP appears to have. The OP isn't complaining about the redundant fields on the forms. He's complaining because he sent unncessary forms to USCIS originally and now NVC is asking for them.

[Scandi 4,186]

Yeah it's extremely annoying when NVC employees are doing their job. So unnecessary, maKes mE MaD. 😤

 

Just read the instructions, understand them and follow them. That way you don't have to come here and throw a fit. Many people who can't follow instructions and directions hire lawyers to point them in the right direction, maybe a lawyer could help you too? Just a tip. Good luck.

[Nitas_man 3,100]

10 hours ago, Daron and Honey said:

Yes, for once you do say something correct.  A proper read would be beneficial to...you.  Instead of just chiming in mayb a proper read of what i actually wrote might be beneficial to everyone. 

LOL you’re a real treat

 

Most of us compile this stuff and get it right the first time.  
 

Every step, petition, visa app, lifting conditions, citizenship, requires the same documents to be submitted.  What you provided to USCIS has nothing to do with the file the DOS has to put together to process the visa and every time you file for the next step in immigration you submit everything again.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 9, 2020 by Nitas_man

[Cathi 5,795]

Ummmmmmm....tax forms are not asked for or required at the USCIS stage.

That's on you for not reading the directions.

[Nitas_man 3,100]

5 hours ago, Cathi said:

Ummmmmmm....tax forms are not asked for or required at the USCIS stage.

That's on you for not reading the directions.

Though not required joint tax returns are often submitted as evidence of marriage if the petitioner has been married long enough to jointly file with the beneficiary.

 

 

[Daron and Honey 6]

22 hours ago, Daron and Honey said:

ALL Documents scanned, submitted, accepted to and by the NVC.

 

really,  is like this time a guy tried saying to me that the NVC was not Dept. of State.

and all your talking about how i should read the instructions and yet pushbrk you failed to read what i wrote.

 

birth certificates, marriage certificates, divorce decrees.  You are absolutely right again, none of that was required during our USCIS stage.

 

So...yep.  You are all right.  

 

4 hours ago, Nitas_man said:

Though not required joint tax returns are often submitted as evidence of marriage if the petitioner has been married long enough to jointly file with the beneficiary.

 

 

I just cant figure out that i do as I am told and yet for somehow i am not following directions or failing to read. 

 

 

[Daron and Honey 6]

Woohoo...Post office lost my Divorce decree and w2's mailed to my wife.  The 2 hardest documents to get and i get to track down and redo.  I really wonder sometimes why my wife and I can not be together 🥴

 

IRS is rejecting me to open an account so i can get transcripts of my w2's.  

 

Next 😑

[payxibka 10,047]

Scan, email, print locally.  

[Nitas_man 3,100]

2 hours ago, Daron and Honey said:

and all your talking about how i should read the instructions and yet pushbrk you failed to read what i wrote.

 

birth certificates, marriage certificates, divorce decrees.  You are absolutely right again, none of that was required during our USCIS stage.

 

So...yep.  You are all right.  

 

I just cant figure out that i do as I am told and yet for somehow i am not following directions or failing to read. 

 

 

 

2 hours ago, Daron and Honey said:

Woohoo...Post office lost my Divorce decree and w2's mailed to my wife.  The 2 hardest documents to get and i get to track down and redo.  I really wonder sometimes why my wife and I can not be together 🥴

 

IRS is rejecting me to open an account so i can get transcripts of my w2's.  

 

Next 😑

We are usually right and when they start asking you for stuff you didnt submit no you probably didnt follow instructions.

Had you asked (but you didnt) you would have been advised to use Fedex or DHL to send documents.

 

Last time I got rejected to open an account by the IRS was because I was at a non-US IP address.  So I VPN’d through a US provider and got one open.

 

Other reasons are not using current information on file.  If you just filed your taxes try last year’s information.

 

Marriage, birth, divorce, evidence of marriage are required at petition stage and no matter what you sent they are required again at the interview (NVC) stage.  
 

Income information is not required at petition stage but joint taxes can be one way to demonstrate a valid marriage, Even if you provided them at that stage you have to provide them again with the I864 at the interview stage.  Just the way it works dude.  
 

W2’s, 1099’s, things like that do not have to be submitted at any stage unless you can’t puzzle out how to order transcripts.

 

If you are submitting returns and not transcripts you have to submit every single document that you used to fill out the return.  It appears you did submit returns if they asked for W2’s SO you should have only sent copies not original W2’s with the copy of the return you submitted.

 

True copy certified divorce decrees are pretty cheap.  I ordered 5-6 and still have some.  You’ll probably need them over and over so it’s suggested to get with the clerk and get some more.

 

 

Edited June 9, 2020 by Nitas_man

[pushbrk 13,172]

7 hours ago, Daron and Honey said:

and all your talking about how i should read the instructions and yet pushbrk you failed to read what i wrote.

 

birth certificates, marriage certificates, divorce decrees.  You are absolutely right again, none of that was required during our USCIS stage.

 

So...yep.  You are all right.  

 

I just cant figure out that i do as I am told and yet for somehow i am not following directions or failing to read. 

 

 

Sounds like you need to read the instructions more carefully.  The foreign spouse's Birth Certificate is not required at the petition stage, but current marriage certificate is.  US Citizen spouse must provide evidence of US Citizenship.  A US birth certificate is ONE option for documenting that.  NVC is not asking for US Citizen Birth Certificate, but they do ask for the foreign spouse's Birth Certificate, which was NOT required at the petition stage.  Read instructions, all instructions, CAREFULLY, then apply some common sense.

 

You'll get better help here if you stop whining and start "appreciating" the help you are being given.

[aaron2020 11,651]

Stop whining and stop faulting others.  You clearly have screwed up and don't know what you are doing.  It's obvious to us. 

[Daron and Honey 6]

Yep,  still waiting

 

[Marieke H 2,524]

23 hours ago, Daron and Honey said:

Woohoo...Post office lost my Divorce decree and w2's mailed to my wife.  The 2 hardest documents to get and i get to track down and redo.  I really wonder sometimes why my wife and I can not be together 🥴

 

IRS is rejecting me to open an account so i can get transcripts of my w2's.  

 

Next 😑

Why on earth would you mail originals of these documents? Photocopies would have been sufficient, and then you can easily make a new photocopy if needed. Or even better, scan and email and have your wife print it.

 

You blame everything on everyone else, but you really have to start being smarter about the process. Stop complaining and start doing research so you understand what you are supposed to be doing. 

[Daron and Honey 6]

9 minutes ago, Marieke H said:

Why on earth would you mail originals of these documents? Photocopies would have been sufficient, and then you can easily make a new photocopy if needed. Or even better, scan and email and have your wife print it.

 

You blame everything on everyone else, but you really have to start being smarter about the process. Stop complaining and start doing research so you understand what you are supposed to be doing. 

Hmmmm...read the directions...do what i am told.  

 

Scan, upload, submit.  Bring originals to interview.  

 

Originals mailed to my wife as I will not be at the interview. Lost

 

and for some reason... I am just wrong about everything.  

 

Oh well,  just add another month of delay.  MIss my wife