Parents last name at birth

[Stark44 2]

Hi all,

I was curious I know throughout immigration sometimes on forms you are asked about mother's maiden name such as on g325a or applying for SSN etc. I noticed on the passport form it asks for last name at parents birth for both mother AND father.

 

I was wondering if anyone had filed before where there father had a legal name change before their birth. If so did you input your father's first and middle current name with the last name at your father's birth.

 

I assume attaching a statement/letter explaining would be helpful as all prior forms seem to ask only for the applicants parents current name or as noted previously some ask for mother's maiden name. 

Edited June 7, 2020 by Stark44
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[igoyougoduke 1,653]

if they ask for name at birth you put the name at birth , if they ask for current name than you put current first and last name, if they ask for any other names used, you put the name before change.

[Stark44 2]

5 minutes ago, Donald120383 said:

if they ask for name at birth you put the name at birth , if they ask for current name than you put current first and last name, if they ask for any other names used, you put the name before change.

All of those questions about other names used pertain to the applicant. This question is regarding parents, thus far only mother's maiden name has been asked. 

 

Upon reviewing the passport form it asks father first & middle name and then the title/section for last name says "at birth" which is why I thought it is asking for father's current given name and birth last name. 

 

[igoyougoduke 1,653]

they are asking for birth last name 

[Stark44 2]

4 minutes ago, Donald120383 said:

they are asking for birth last name 

You are correct it does seem to only require the father last name which is why I assume that including a letter/statement explaining that father had a legal name change prior to applicants birth might help for any confusion. 

Edited June 7, 2020 by Stark44

[Stark44 2]

Can anyone confirm if it's just the last name at birth that is being asked for, for parents name? I read that the parental information section is used for a claim to citizenship for people but since both are not USC.

 

Additionally, can anyone provide a brief overview of what the process is like for first time applicants if applying based on naturalization /marriage to US spouse. 

Edited June 8, 2020 by Stark44

[Wuozopo 4,293]

9 hours ago, Stark44 said:

Can anyone confirm if it's just the last name at birth that is being asked for, for parents name? I read that the parental information section is used for a claim to citizenship for people but since both are not USC.

 

Additionally, can anyone provide a brief overview of what the process is like for first time applicants if applying based on naturalization /marriage to US spouse. 

They want you to indicate the complete name your father had on his birth certificate when your father was born. If his Mum named him Joe Fred Smith and registered his birth in that name, then that goes on the form.  
 

Are you asking US passport experiences?  The passport is not based on marriage to a USC. It is based on presenting a naturalization certificate to prove you are a USC. I submitted my application, passport photos, naturalization certificate and payment at a US post office.  Find one that does passports and check if the require an appointment. They would not accept a check for the USPS acceptance fee, but allowed me to withdraw cash at the postal counter with a debit card as if they were an ATM machine. Was kinda weird. The payment for the actual passport was a check to the US Department of State that went off in the mail. My passport was received in about 2 weeks. The naturalization certificate was returned separately (by mail). 
 

Here’s the current USPS page about their passport services and statements concerning Covid-19 delays. 
https://www.usps.com/international/passports.htm

[Stark44 2]

44 minutes ago, Wuozopo said:

They want you to indicate the complete name your father had on his birth certificate when your father was born. If his Mum named him Joe Fred Smith and registered his birth in that name, then that goes on the form.  

 

Cheers for the reply, when looking at it, it only asks for the last name at birth though?

 

Good to know that it is handled via USPS I assume they have special locations that help with the application of these. 

[Wuozopo 4,293]

30 minutes ago, Stark44 said:

Cheers for the reply, when looking at it, it only asks for the last name at birth though?

I believe you are over-thinking. I would put the complete name on your father’s birth certificate. I believe their ‘at birth’ is just a generic substitute for the older “maiden name”. Noice they don’t say Mother name and Father name as separate specifics. It is more generic to allow for someone who has two mothers or two fathers.
 

33 minutes ago, Stark44 said:

Good to know that it is handled via USPS I assume they have special locations that help with the application of these. 

Not every post office is set up to receive passport applications and the days and hours that they do it can vary by location. For example my closest post office didn’t and I chose one about 10 miles away. I wouldn’t say they assist with the application, but just check that you signed it, the photos were acceptable, and payment was the correct amount. 

There are other authorized acceptance agents as well. 

[Stark44 2]

Your right Wuozopo I tend to overthink things, thank you for the responses! 

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[Stark44 2]

On 6/8/2020 at 9:26 AM, Wuozopo said:

I believe you are over-thinking. I would put the complete name on your father’s birth certificate. I believe their ‘at birth’ is just a generic substitute for the older “maiden name”. Noice they don’t say Mother name and Father name as separate specifics. It is more generic to allow for someone who has two mothers or two fathers.

I notice that now, apologies for overthinking. I notice on the SSN form too but only for the mother. It asks for "mother's name at her birth" and then father name. I inputted my mother's maiden name and my father's name as it has been for my entire life and on my birth certificate, this would be correct as that is what each question is asking for? Probably just overthinking every little thing again. 

 

Regarding when you do the passport service at USPS is it a similar experience to doing it at the post office in the UK for a UK passport where they check that all relevant sections have been completed, additionally can you pay extra to have it expedited to receive it sooner?

 

Hope to hear from you soon, cheers

Edited June 10, 2020 by Stark44

[Wuozopo 4,293]

1 hour ago, Stark44 said:

I notice that now, apologies for overthinking. I notice on the SSN form too but only for the mother. It asks for "mother's name at her birth" and then father name. I inputted my mother's maiden name and my father's name as it has been for my entire life and on my birth certificate, this would be correct as that is what each question is asking for? Probably just overthinking every little thing again. 

 

Regarding when you do the passport service at USPS is it a similar experience to doing it at the post office in the UK for a UK passport where they check that all relevant sections have been completed, additionally can you pay extra to have it expedited to receive it sooner?

 

Hope to hear from you soon, cheers

Yeah, that sounds reasonable because it asks your father’s name and doesn’t say at birth. It’s his name. I think that “at birth” is an attempt to be progressive. You know, not make the parents gender specific. And also men can take the wife’s name at marriage so could have a “maiden” name of sorts. 

I hardly remember going to a UK post office for a passport. My wife said at her original passport application, they did it at the postal counter where you buy stamps and send parcels. My passport place Here had a table set to the side of the counter. I guess it depends on how each place wants to set up. I don’t remember doing anything but handing them the application and they browsed it and said I couldn’t pay the acceptance fee with a check. Oh yes, now I remember the debit card was to get cash with which to purchase a USPS money order which they would accept.  They aren’t so fussy here about having people sign off for you. Maybe that’s the post office’s part, to see if the photo looks like the person applying and check ID. 

 

Edited June 10, 2020 by Wuozopo

[Stark44 2]

24 minutes ago, Wuozopo said:

Yeah, that sounds reasonable because it asks your father’s name and doesn’t say at birth. It’s his name. I think that “at birth” is an attempt to be progressive. You know, not make the parents gender specific. And also men can take the wife’s name at marriage so could have a “maiden” name of sorts. 

I hardly remember going to a UK post office for a passport. My wife said at her original passport application, they did it at the postal counter where you buy stamps and send parcels. My passport place Here had a table set to the side of the counter. I guess it depends on how each place wants to set up. I don’t remember doing anything but handing them the application and they browsed it and said I couldn’t pay the acceptance fee with a check. Oh yes, now I remember the debit card was to get cash with which to purchase a USPS money order which they would accept.  They aren’t so fussy here about having people sign off for you. Maybe that’s the post office’s part, to see if the photo looks like the person applying and check ID. 

 

That does make sense about what you said about it trying to be more progressive.

 

That is good to know about the passport process for the future. It sounds like it is the same as the way you would get a UK passport at a UK post office, they check everything over etc. I really appreciate your reply on this topic, cheers again!

Edited June 10, 2020 by Stark44