Murder charge elevated to 2nd degree in George Floyd case; all four officers now face charges

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,382]

4 minutes ago, Sarge2155 said:

Why would they consider his criminal history? Does his criminal history make him MORE deserving to have the cop put his knee on his neck for almost 9 minutes until he was dead? Oh I see what you are saying, he had a criminal record two decades old so it's OK if we knee his neck until he is dead! The protestors and the cops alike had no idea at that time about Mr. Floyd's criminal history so your comment is totally biased and out of line!

 

The main difference between criminals of color and criminals that or not of color is the criminals of color most likely end up dead during apprehension and or capture (there are exceptions yes). Criminals that or not of color usually are taken alive i.e. James Holmes (Colorado movie theater mass murderer.) Timothy McVeigh and Devin Kelley (Texas church shooter) he had an criminal record also. Did YOU consider their criminal records or mental health concerns of course you did not! The list goes on and on but those are just a few. As what was pointed out even the cops wife wrote a worthless check. What makes George Floyd different I ask you? Why would his criminal record entitle him to be killed on video then aired on national TV, I might add that (lynchings) used to be legal in the U.S. but it took people of ALL colors protesting and yes sometimes rioting to effect CHANGE! I am by no means advocating looting and rioting or any type of violence.

 

Even your ending statement  " No one deserves to die like he did.  No matter their past.  But our country does not deserve to burn for a criminal such as this.  The many crimes stemming from one criminal is just... criminal." The no matter their past portion of your text hinted at a voice of reason, but you lost it in the ending.

 

Violence is violence we as a nation and other country's too use it regularly to further our agendas (and also to defend ourselves), this is a known fact and has been this way since the beginning of time. It will never change. I submit to you, it's hard for you to understand because you have not, but most importantly you can not walk a mile in the other persons shoe.

 

In summary like I have said several times before in my posts, racial discussions usually always end badly, but one thing is for sure true feelings usually always come out too as several have within this thread.

Youu forgot to add thse two mass murders to people taken alive... Opps

 

DC Area Sniper Fast Facts

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[Sarge2155 4,590]

3 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Youu forgot to add thse two mass murders to people taken alive... Opps

 

DC Area Sniper Fast Facts

https://www.cnn.com/2013/11/04/us/dc-area-sniper-fast-facts/index.html

 

I said there were exceptions did you not read my post!!!!!!

 

"The main difference between criminals of color and criminals that or not of color is the criminals of color most likely end up dead during apprehension and or capture (there are exceptions yes)."

Edited June 6, 2020 by Sarge2155

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

24 minutes ago, Sarge2155 said:

Why would they consider his criminal history? Does his criminal history make him MORE deserving to have the cop put his knee on his neck for almost 9 minutes until he was dead? Oh I see what you are saying, he had a criminal record two decades old so it's OK if we knee his neck until he is dead! The protestors and the cops alike had no idea at that time about Mr. Floyd's criminal history so your comment is totally biased and out of line!

 

The main difference between criminals of color and criminals that or not of color is the criminals of color most likely end up dead during apprehension and or capture (there are exceptions yes). Criminals that or not of color usually are taken alive i.e. James Holmes (Colorado movie theater mass murderer.) Timothy McVeigh and Devin Kelley (Texas church shooter) he had an criminal record also. Did YOU consider their criminal records or mental health concerns of course you did not! The list goes on and on but those are just a few. As what was pointed out even the cops wife wrote a worthless check. What makes George Floyd different I ask you? Why would his criminal record entitle him to be killed on video then aired on national TV, I might add that (lynchings) used to be legal in the U.S. but it took people of ALL colors protesting and yes sometimes rioting to effect CHANGE! I am by no means advocating looting and rioting or any type of violence.

 

Even your ending statement  " No one deserves to die like he did.  No matter their past.  But our country does not deserve to burn for a criminal such as this.  The many crimes stemming from one criminal is just... criminal." The no matter their past portion of your text hinted at a voice of reason, but you lost it in the ending.

 

Violence is violence we as a nation and other country's too use it regularly to further our agendas (and also to defend ourselves), this is a known fact and has been this way since the beginning of time. It will never change. I submit to you, it's hard for you to understand because you have not, but most importantly you can not walk a mile in the other persons shoe.

 

In summary like I have said several times before in my posts, racial discussions usually always end badly, but one thing is for sure true feelings usually always come out too as several have within this thread.

First off, allow me to say I wasn't meaning to be offensive yesterday when I said "if you have nothing to say, then say nothing".  It's not that I don't want to get your viewpoint; quite the opposite,  I DO want to hear other's POV.  I just didn't see the need to say that you weren't going to post because of what other people were saying on here.  In a case like this, no one is "right" or "wrong", we all just have opinions.  And yours is every bit as valid as mine or anyone else in C3HST.

 

As to the above, the point I was trying to make is that Floyd is a criminal, and we shouldn't be burning our various cities, and destroying our business owner's livelihoods, over a criminal.  After reading your post, the same could be said for a non-criminal who was murdered like Floyd was.  Still not worth it.  But I might understand why folks would feel that way if say Kapernick, or MLK (now THOSE were some intense riots!) or some other law-abiding citizen was murdered without apparent cause. 

 

But I guess you're right, their history really doesn't matter.  Had Floyd been a pillar of the community vs a violent criminal, I imagine the outcome would have been the same, rioting- and burning- and violence-wise.  Still appalling and wrong.  Just as his murder was.  And I will hope for actual justice in this matter, not just a lengthy process whereby all the emotions die down, and the cops are let off the hook.

 

Thanks for opening up and sharing your feelings/opinion.  I'm sure I am not the only one who can benefit from your words.

[yuna628 9,713]

39 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Evidently Mr. Floyd was a carrier addict and criminal. Assaulted a pregnant woman and spent 5 years in jail. Sorry but if you assault a pregnant woman you are scum

 

None of this justifies or excuses anything the cop did .

There is nothing to suggest that Mr. Floyd was a career criminal. 2007 was his last offense that required jail time, and since his release has been part of the narrative of 'turning one's life around'. Of course using drugs is still considered a crime, but this is one aspect of addiction. In his young years he showed promising talent in sports but like many never finished his education and became wrapped up in a life that is familiar to those in inner city poverty. The 2007 robbery he was one of several members that took part, and he cut a plea deal presumably to turn the others in. After he served his time he wanted to make a new start of his life, and was working with ministries to encourage kids to stay out of trouble. Hypocritical of course he was still using drugs, but again it doesn't seem like he was ever a part of treatment program and he had a long history of use.

 

Now take Mr. Chauvin for instance. He served in the military, had been on the force for 20 years and received a couple of commendations for bravery. Still he had 19 misconduct reports (one of the others had six complaints and a settled lawsuit for assault) against him which included two noted reprimands in his file. Some had noted concerns about his behavior before. He committed voter fraud. Sen. Klobuchar has taken heat for failing to prosecute him for a fatal shooting when she was running for election. Despite all these potential red flags or warning signs, he continued on the job. It is hard for me to believe that this cop did not have a particular mindset of cruelty, behaved in ways similar prior to this event, and would surely have to by murdering someone like this. Is Chauvin a career criminal dressed in blue? I can't say, but he seems to have a pattern of history. He brutally murdered a man, so I guess that also makes him scum.

 

If he could have the guts to face up to what he's done, plea guilty, and put this nation out of the misery of a lengthy nonsense trial it might go some way to healing. Maybe then he too might try to turn his life around while behind bars.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

2 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Youu forgot to add thse two mass murders to people taken alive... Opps

 

DC Area Sniper Fast Facts

https://www.cnn.com/2013/11/04/us/dc-area-sniper-fast-facts/index.html

 

The narrative never changes with facts, just dismisses fact, and reverts back to narrative. It's why many then move onto motive, especially when this irrationality is paired with hollow, passive aggressive cries of racism. The result is actual racism gets taken less seriously, but it matters not to those who wield/use this "racist" cudgel so casually, the idea is getting their way, and blacks are merely a means to an end. 

Edited June 6, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Dashinka 24,794]

3 hours ago, Sarge2155 said:

I said there were exceptions did you not read my post!!!!!!

 

"The main difference between criminals of color and criminals that or not of color is the criminals of color most likely end up dead during apprehension and or capture (there are exceptions yes)."

Do you really have the data to back up this statement?  You seem to be suggesting that the majority of alleged criminals of color end up dead during apprehension?  I certainly would like to see that data.

[Sarge2155 4,590]

8 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Do you really have the data to back up this statement?  You seem to be suggesting that the majority of alleged criminals of color end up dead during apprehension?  I certainly would like to see that data.

Are you living in the dark ages or do you just only believe what you want too? Google it then formulate your opinion as nothing I present to you you'd  believe anyway. It would just be a vicious cycle of you trying to prove me wrong.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

15 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Do you really have the data to back up this statement?  You seem to be suggesting that the majority of alleged criminals of color end up dead during apprehension?  I certainly would like to see that data.

I actually gave data a page or two back on this very topic regarding racial violence, and race statistics regarding police interactions, such as interactions with police where a person gets shot/killed, where they commit homicide on an officer, etc. I also gave two very thorough, highly cited studies, which demonstrated there's no national bias, but the local bias demonstrated actually illustrates increasing apprehensiveness to arrest blacks and other people of color, especially in regions where this very thing has happened. Yet still, it doesn't affect national statistics on violent crime. Strangely, this post was only passively met with warnings about how terrible debate on this topic is. This is a gaslighting tactic to shut down debate, one that is increasingly starting to fail.

 

It can easily be surmised that the desire to portray today's law enforcement as akin to the kind of racial injustice seen last century (e.g. Jim Crow, segregation, slavery) and before is done with obvious deception and obvious malice.

 

What I hope blacks in these urban regions begin to understand is that the same white and black Democratic leadership has run these metropolitan regions for decades, half a century or longer in many of them, and if they legitimately (as in, without the aforementioned malice) don't see improvements after all this time, it might be time to look elsewhere, both for the problems and solutions. 

Edited June 6, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Dashinka 24,794]

1 minute ago, Sarge2155 said:

Are you living in the dark ages or do you just only believe what you want too? Google it then formulate your opinion as nothing I present to you you'd  believe anyway. It would just be a vicious cycle of you trying to prove me wrong.

You are the one suggesting it is an exception that a person of color survives any police encounter where an apprehension occurs.  Unless there is solid data that shows this being the case given all the police encounters that occur every given day, I find it hard to believe.  So if we are to believe your assertion, then we should disband all police departments nationwide?

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,382]

29 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

You are the one suggesting it is an exception that a person of color survives any police encounter where an apprehension occurs.  Unless there is solid data that shows this being the case given all the police encounters that occur every given day, I find it hard to believe.  So if we are to believe your assertion, then we should disband all police departments nationwide?

Amen it is an agenda driven lie, designed to keep the people that have done the most harm to the black race in charge. Real evidence would suggest otherwise

 

The Myth of Systemic Police Racism
Hold officers accountable who use excessive force. But there’s no evidence of widespread racial bias.tive. 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,382]

My biggest problem with all this massive protest to stamp out racism is, nobody wants to have honest conversations. So many Black people continue to be overtly racist and get by with statements, that if made by whites would incite riots. I just hate the double standard.

 

I have two close close work friends who are older black women, that I would knock you unconscious if you did anything negative towards and we often have frank open conversations about race.We openly admit that we are prejudice, which is a word often confused with racism.

[Dashinka 24,794]

1 hour ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

My biggest problem with all this massive protest to stamp out racism is, nobody wants to have honest conversations. So many Black people continue to be overtly racist and get by with statements, that if made by whites would incite riots. I just hate the double standard.

 

I have two close close work friends who are older black women, that I would knock you unconscious if you did anything negative towards and we often have frank open conversations about race.We openly admit that we are prejudice, which is a word often confused with racism.

No doubt, and mostly that is because all of this is actually a political narrative.  Heck, look at the memorial service for Mr. Floyd with Rev. Al, and a host of Democrat leaders.  Could you imagine what would have been said if President Trump or VP Pence showed up?  The DNC loves to put on shows at memorial services a.k.a. The Wellstone memorial.  The funny thing is that he Democrat leftist governor of MN and the Democrat leftist mayors of Minneapolis and St. Paul are the ones more able to effect real change at that level.  Regardless, it is all a Trump’s fault like he has the power to reform all the various local police agencies.  All politics are local, and most of what we are seeing are in areas and cities controlled and run by leftist Democrats.

[yuna628 9,713]

One of the other cops that was 4 days on the job had something like 12 priors. Don't you need a clean record to be acceptable as a cop?

[Ban Hammer 13,550]

27 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

One of the other cops that was 4 days on the job had something like 12 priors. Don't you need a clean record to be acceptable as a cop?

which makes me wonder if someone dropped the ball or if standards were lowered so far due to a lack of recruits.

[NikLR 13,232]

Does it matter if he had a criminal past? Chauvin had at least 12 complaints about over use of force and violation of a prisoner's constitutional rights.  So we're dealing with a cop who also uses the law in his favor to be malicious and forceful withoit reason. 

 

Being an addict will make people do things they wouldn't do otherwise.  Addicts are not necessarily scum. We dont say that Robert Downey Jr is scum and yet he's been to court over his addictions. But because he's white and has money, well he got rehab instead of jail.  

 

Do any of us on this thread live in predominantly black neighbourhoods? Do we know what it's like to grow up there? I don't.  

 

If you're defending this cop at all by trying to point out that George Floyd had a criminal past, then you're wrong. A black person died while crying for help at the hands of a police officer. This is wrong. Unless he was actively shooting at the cop at the time, he didn't deserve to die. He certainly did not deserve to be strangled with a knee on his neck with 4 cops near him. 4 people who are supposed to protect and serve. 4 people we should be able to turn to if we're in trouble. Instead we're worried if they will help. Black people are worried that asking for help will get them shot or arrested. Complying with police can still get you beat up. There needs to be more accountability for police.  There are good police officers and they need to be ones we think of. There can be no bad apples when protect and serve is your creed. 

Edited June 7, 2020 by NikLR
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