Minnesota Protests Show Some Things Are More Important Than 'Stopping The Spread'

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

5 hours ago, Dashinka said:

It’s all about politics.  The Democrat leaders in Minnesota want to claim that white supremacists are part of and even pushing the violence so they can run cover for their leftist fascists that are really doing the damage.

I have seen that as well from some good friends of mine on the Left

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

I remember when a large group of right wing nut jobs with guns protested awhile back.  No one was hurt, no property was destroyed, nothing stolen.  My eyesight may be dwindling in my old age, but I think I can clearly see the difference in what is going on today.

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9 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

I remember when a large group of right wing nut jobs with guns protested awhile back.  No one was hurt, no property was destroyed, nothing stolen.  My eyesight may be dwindling in my old age, but I think I can clearly see the difference in what is going on today.

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20 hours ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

What's weird is the narrative I am seeing from many different sources basically equating the violent white rioters with "far right or alt-right protestors". So why would a alt-right guy be in the same protest with BLM? Not to mention they are leaving out Antifa

From what I can see online a lot of the incidents involving incitement and burning seem to be young white men. Now in some cases people have been able to clearly ID individuals that are avowed anarchists and harbor pro white supremacy sentiment. There are groups of an odd sort of what I would call hybrid white supremacist groups that have made it clear that they want to use infiltrating tactics to inflame a race war. If they are there in many of these protests instead of just making grandiose claims I don't know. I would say from my experience there are those that harbor both anarchist/militia/anti-gov/pro supremacy sentiment on one side and anti-government/anarchist sentiment on the other. It's a perfect opportunity for those elements to sweep in. In everything that I have seen there are swarms of white kids that are doing the majority of the violence. It's not surprising that these elements would try and take advantage. There are plenty of videos of regular protesters trying to get these people to stop and getting caught in the scrum. I would equate any of it down to domestic terrorism. Thankfully things in B'more have been well controlled. We have had some morons, but I think we learned lessons from the last riot.

14 hours ago, OriZ said:

Well anarchists want to obviate the state. That would be their deeper meaning and actually knowing a few anarchists, I know in principle they oppose any damage to private property, but they think burning down police stations  (since cops are agents of the state) is just fine and dandy. 

Young anarchists that I knew (at least a long time ago) would have no problem just wanting to burn everything to the ground. As the world has increasingly become a little more chaotic, this has solidified that view. I think that these are a different sort of anarchist, and it's easy to find similarly minded people to radicalize and plan with on the internet. I do not think they have an exact plan, at least some of them, or even a sort of... what to call it.. inherent motivation or even worldview or philosophy.

Edited June 1, 2020 by yuna628

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10 hours ago, yuna628 said:

From what I can see online a lot of the incidents involving incitement and burning seem to be young white men. Now in some cases people have been able to clearly ID individuals that are avowed anarchists and harbor pro white supremacy sentiment. There are groups of an odd sort of what I would call hybrid white supremacist groups that have made it clear that they want to use infiltrating tactics to inflame a race war. If they are there in many of these protests instead of just making grandiose claims I don't know. I would say from my experience there are those that harbor both anarchist/militia/anti-gov/pro supremacy sentiment on one side and anti-government/anarchist sentiment on the other. It's a perfect opportunity for those elements to sweep in. In everything that I have seen there are swarms of white kids that are doing the majority of the violence. It's not surprising that these elements would try and take advantage. There are plenty of videos of regular protesters trying to get these people to stop and getting caught in the scrum. I would equate any of it down to domestic terrorism. Thankfully things in B'more have been well controlled. We have had some morons, but I think we learned lessons from the last riot.

Young anarchists that I knew (at least a long time ago) would have no problem just wanting to burn everything to the ground. As the world has increasingly become a little more chaotic, this has solidified that view. I think that these are a different sort of anarchist, and it's easy to find similarly minded people to radicalize and plan with on the internet. I do not think they have an exact plan, at least some of them, or even a sort of... what to call it.. inherent motivation or even worldview or philosophy.

I think they call themselves anarchists, in the same way that antifa folks think they're anti fascists. But really, that's not at all what anarchism is about. Anarchism is all about protection of private property and obviation of the state in any of its forms(100% voluntaryism).

Edited June 2, 2020 by OriZ

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

The anarchists in question tend to overlap with Antifa. They're not the stereotyped libertarian-esque anarchists, they're anarcho-communists. 

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7 hours ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

The anarchists in question tend to overlap with Antifa. They're not the stereotyped libertarian-esque anarchists, they're anarcho-communists. 

Exactly. Which makes them not exactly anarchists to start with. Anarchists wouldn't do most of this. Not the private property part anyway. Public is different.