Is college enrollment considered a strong tie?

[ihaveablackcloud 2]

55 minutes ago, Boiler said:

So somebody for Zim is undertaking a course in the Ukraine which requires rotations in the US to graduate?

 

Sorry not buying it and nor will the Consulate.

I think this is unfair to say about someone you know nothing about. He’s in his last year of medical school and is a top student. Other students living in similar conditions there have successfully obtained US visas to complete rotations in the States. It’s unkind to pass judgment on people you don’t know and to state that what I’ve said isn’t true. 

[TheKingmaker 153]

No

[carmel34 3,633]

16 hours ago, ihaveablackcloud said:

Does college enrollment count as strong ties? My boyfriend is a foreign medical student studying in the Ukraine. He is supposed to come for rotations this year. I posted in a different forum with another question and was also informed that it is extremely hard to prove strong ties? I’ve seen elsewhere that college enrollment is considered to be a solid reason for returning. If he doesn’t, the thousands he’s spent will be wasted and he won’t graduate....he’s got a year left. So I’m really confused and concerned now. 

The real question is will the IO view college enrollment in the Ukraine as a "strong tie," when the program allows him to do rotations in the US as part of the program?  He could very easily transfer to a US school.  Strong ties to a home country are more typically things like property owned, stable employment, retirement benefits that can't be sent out of country, family ties, etc.  Plus when asked, he will have to disclose that he has a love interest in the US, in the same town where he will be doing the rotation.  In looking at the totality of this circumstance, I would not plan on the college enrollment being a strong enough tie to get a B1 visa.  If you really want to be together in the US, there's no "boyfriend visa," so you're more likely to be successful with a K-1 or getting married in the Ukraine and filing for a CR-1.  Good luck!

Edited May 24, 2020 by carmel34

[Boiler 45,524]

So this is somebody you have yet to meet, who is undertaking a multi year medical course at great expense, very great expense when you think of the Zim economy situation, and require to complete a Rotation in the US but has gone through all this without finding out if it is even possible?

 

Begs the question why a course in Ukraine would have anything to do with a US Rotation and why it would not be focused on doing it locally.

Edited May 24, 2020 by Boiler

[ihaveablackcloud 2]

1 hour ago, carmel34 said:

The real question is will the IO view college enrollment in the Ukraine as a "strong tie," when the program allows him to do rotations in the US as part of the program?  He could very easily transfer to a US school.  Strong ties to a home country are more typically things like property owned, stable employment, retirement benefits that can't be sent out of country, family ties, etc.  Plus when asked, he will have to disclose that he has a love interest in the US, in the same town where he will be doing the rotation.  In looking at the totality of this circumstance, I would not plan on the college enrollment being a strong enough tie to get a B1 visa.  If you really want to be together in the US, there's no "boyfriend visa," so you're more likely to be successful with a K-1 or getting married in the Ukraine and filing for a CR-1.  Good luck!

But how does a student own property, have stable employment or retirement benefits? Lol it seems a little ridiculous to expect that of someone who has yet to earn his degree and establish such ties. Who in their right mind would think that a medical student in his last year would abandon the university, losing thousands of dollars and all that hard work....just to come to America? Doesn’t make sense. 

Edited May 24, 2020 by ihaveablackcloud

[ihaveablackcloud 2]

40 minutes ago, Boiler said:

So this is somebody you have yet to meet, who is undertaking a multi year medical course at great expense, very great expense when you think of the Zim economy situation, and require to complete a Rotation in the US but has gone through all this without finding out if it is even possible?

 

Begs the question why a course in Ukraine would have anything to do with a US Rotation and why it would not be focused on doing it locally.

If I was going to make up a story, it would be a hell of a lot better than this. 

[gregcrs2 1,778]

OP, have you and your boyfriend physically met?

[ihaveablackcloud 2]

7 minutes ago, gregcrs2 said:

OP, have you and your boyfriend physically met?

Yes we have, I went there last year before covid-19 hit. We were going to use this opportunity for him to meet my family. When we discovered that a company through the American Medical Association has a program for international students, with rotations near my area, we thought it might be an added bonus for him to meet my parents. I shouldn’t have to defend the legitimacy of my story. 

[geowrian 22,337]

Apply and find out. Anything else is pure speculation.

 

49 minutes ago, ihaveablackcloud said:

If I was going to make up a story, it would be a hell of a lot better than this. 

You would be surprised how often that's not the case but people do it anyway. 😆

[gregcrs2 1,778]

Sorry, but your story has some twists and turns in it.  

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

2 hours ago, ihaveablackcloud said:

But how does a student own property, have stable employment or retirement benefits? Lol it seems a little ridiculous to expect that of someone who has yet to earn his degree and establish such ties. Who in their right mind would think that a medical student in his last year would abandon the university, losing thousands of dollars and all that hard work....just to come to America? Doesn’t make sense. 

The actual issue for your boyfriend here is that he doesn’t even have any intent to do any of that where he is. Most people do medical school in their own country where at least they have family, community ties, they will often have to work back community service etc. Your boyfriend is studying in a foreign country to his home country, and has plans to make the US his home once he’s finished studying. He has one tie only to where he is right now.  And you’d be amazed at how many people do abandon college to stay in the US. I totally agree that it makes almost no sense in your boyfriend’s case, but people do it. Fact is his best chance of being successful with this visa is the fact that he is doing it through an agency that has a lot of experience doing it (assuming they have correctly represented themselves).

 

By the way how far along with USMLE is he?

 

 

Edited May 24, 2020 by SusieQQQ

[kris&me 572]

3 hours ago, ihaveablackcloud said:

But how does a student own property, have stable employment or retirement benefits? Lol it seems a little ridiculous to expect that of someone who has yet to earn his degree and establish such ties. Who in their right mind would think that a medical student in his last year would abandon the university, losing thousands of dollars and all that hard work....just to come to America? Doesn’t make sense. 

they don't and when they have a US gf and more reasons to AOS and marry here and stay,  that is why the embassy looks hard at the whole thing 

usually when the university arranges for a rotation or other things that require a visa,  the university lawyer does the paper work with all the right documents / at least that is the way it is done here 

[SalishSea 17,834]

17 hours ago, ihaveablackcloud said:

They say they assist students in getting a B1 visa

This doesn't sound legit. 

[ihaveablackcloud 2]

13 minutes ago, Jorgedig said:

This doesn't sound legit. 

Pretty sure the American Medical Association is legit 

[SalishSea 17,834]

Of course it is.  Pretty sure the AMA is not the one "helping" people get B1s for "clinical rotations" in the USA.