Is college enrollment considered a strong tie?

[ihaveablackcloud 2]

Does college enrollment count as strong ties? My boyfriend is a foreign medical student studying in the Ukraine. He is supposed to come for rotations this year. I posted in a different forum with another question and was also informed that it is extremely hard to prove strong ties? I’ve seen elsewhere that college enrollment is considered to be a solid reason for returning. If he doesn’t, the thousands he’s spent will be wasted and he won’t graduate....he’s got a year left. So I’m really confused and concerned now. 

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

It really depends on the course and university. Normally would say medical student is a strong tie, but we’ve seen refusals for medical rotations at this stage before here too.
 

Edited May 24, 2020 by SusieQQQ

[ihaveablackcloud 2]

12 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

It really depends on the course and university. Normally would say medical student is a strong tie, but we’ve seen refusals for medical rotations at this stage before here too.
 

Thank you for responding. If he’s on a student visa in the Ukraine, would that be the country of residence he’d need to prove ties to? That’s his country of residence now and it’s where his strongest ties are. 

[gregcrs2 1,778]

If your boyfriend is coming to the USA on a clinical rotation,  visa advice/assistance would be offered through his medical school or a US based medical clinic service that offers clinical rotations for international medical students.  It's not cheap at all and it takes time, lots of paperwork, and money to arrange for it.   From what you are posting here and your other thread, it seems like you are trying to help him get a tourist visa to visit you.  Coming to the US for the purposes of visiting (which is personal) versus trying to get here for clinical rotation (which is professional) are two different things.  

[ihaveablackcloud 2]

18 minutes ago, gregcrs2 said:

If your boyfriend is coming to the USA on a clinical rotation,  visa advice/assistance would be offered through his medical school or a US based medical clinic service that offers clinical rotations for international medical students.  It's not cheap at all and it takes time, lots of paperwork, and money to arrange for it.   From what you are posting here and your other thread, it seems like you are trying to help him get a tourist visa to visit you.  Coming to the US for the purposes of visiting (which is personal) versus trying to get here for clinical rotation (which is professional) are two different things.  

I think that maybe I wasn’t completely clear with everything I’ve posted. I do apologize. He is coming here via a company that helps international students get clinical rotations. This company is recommended by the American Medical Association for foreigners studying medicine. He is using this toward his degree, and when he discovered that they are hosting them in my area, he decided that would be an added bonus. He’s filed the paperwork, has housing arranged, and has an invitation letter from the company. They say they assist students in getting a B1 visa. The issue now is whether or not they’ll accept his ties to the country he is living in now. 
 

I do thank you for responding. I apologize if I hadn’t made everything clear initially!

[Just Paul 4,595]

8 hours ago, ihaveablackcloud said:

My boyfriend is a foreign medical student studying in the Ukraine.

It can be problematic when a student with nationality A is enrolled in a school in country B and then wants to get a B1 for rotations. They are going to take in consideration his ties back to the school and to return home.   I've thought that the disadvantage if using a B1 instead of F1/J1 is the school/program has no skin in the game with USCIS (they aren't using SEVIS) versus F1/J1 schools.

 

Then there is the issue of consideration of him not going back and adjust with you.  They don't always put a lot of consideration in that he would have to return to get his degree.

[ihaveablackcloud 2]

42 minutes ago, Paul & Mary said:

It can be problematic when a student with nationality A is enrolled in a school in country B and then wants to get a B1 for rotations. They are going to take in consideration his ties back to the school and to return home.   I've thought that the disadvantage if using a B1 instead of F1/J1 is the school/program has no skin in the game with USCIS (they aren't using SEVIS) versus F1/J1 schools.

 

Then there is the issue of consideration of him not going back and adjust with you.  They don't always put a lot of consideration in that he would have to return to get his degree.

On the embassy website for the Ukraine it states that anyone who is a legal resident there is welcome to apply for a visa. And that they will consider the ties they have established while living there. I’ve seen college enrollment listed as a solid reason for returning. Also, my boyfriend has stated that one of his fellow classmates who is from another country successfully obtained a US visa for the same program. So maybe they treat each case differently? 

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

1 hour ago, ihaveablackcloud said:

So maybe they treat each case differently? 

Yes they look at each case on its own merits. People with similar cases to your boyfriend have been both approved and denied in the past. No one can give you the absolute reassurance you seem to be looking for. 

[ihaveablackcloud 2]

5 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

Yes they look at each case on its own merits. People with similar cases to your boyfriend have been both approved and denied in the past. No one can give you the absolute reassurance you seem to be looking for. 

I know I won’t get absolute assurance, because just like with many things in life, it isn’t definite. All we can be is hopeful and prepared. Thank you for the response

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

By the way, what is your boyfriend’s nationality? That can sometimes be important. 

[ihaveablackcloud 2]

11 minutes ago, SusieQQQ said:

By the way, what is your boyfriend’s nationality? That can sometimes be important. 

He is from Zimbabwe. I don’t know if it helps, but I’ve read that the denial rate is about 26%. Not sure if that’s good or bad lol. It’s worse than some but much better than others. Just have to wait and see and be positive.

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

It’s not a security issue anyway, which is more what I was concerned about. 

[gregcrs2 1,778]

 

Here is OP's original thread which directly ties into the question here.

 

[Boiler 45,542]

So somebody for Zim is undertaking a course in the Ukraine which requires rotations in the US to graduate?

 

Sorry not buying it and nor will the Consulate.

[SusieQQQ 11,586]

20 minutes ago, Boiler said:

So somebody for Zim is undertaking a course in the Ukraine which requires rotations in the US to graduate?

 

Sorry not buying it and nor will the Consulate.

Well it’s perfectly understandable why he’s not studying in Zim. The rest of it, who knows.