Video posted online as DA says case of Georgia man who was chased and killed will go to grand jurry

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

I don't understand what they were doing, but hopefully more evidence comes out for further clarification. Immediately available information and video suggests they murdered someone.

 

I don't see the Trayvon connection here though. At all.

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

7 hours ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

I don't understand what they were doing, but hopefully more evidence comes out for further clarification. Immediately available information and video suggests they murdered someone.

 

I don't see the Trayvon connection here though. At all.

I don't understand what they were doing either. But what it looks like to me is that the older one was trying  to "talk" with him with a rifle in his hand or previously while they were driving. But getting out of the truck with a rifle in hand and trying to scare someone is a pretty bad move to start with

[NikLR 13,227]

51 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

I don't understand what they were doing either. But what it looks like to me is that the older one was trying  to "talk" with him with a rifle in his hand or previously while they were driving. But getting out of the truck with a rifle in hand and trying to scare someone is a pretty bad move to start with

The older one was standing in the back of the truck with a pistol and the younger one shot him with a shotgun. Someone will undoubtedly argue that it went off accidentally or that it was self defense.  Imho it's self defense to fight for your life when TWO people have guns aimed at you while you're unarmed.  I do not wish them well. At the very least they need to be in jail for the rest of their lives.  This is not okay.  Im so angry for the young man's family that it took until NOW for someone to be arrested when this happened in Feb!  3 months?! 

Edited May 8, 2020 by NikLR
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[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

3 minutes ago, NikLR said:

The older one was standing in the back of the truck with a pistol and the younger one shot him with a shotgun. Someone will undoubtedly argue that it went off accidentally or that it was self defense.  Imho it's self defense to fight for your life when TWO people have guns aimed at you while you're unarmed.  I do not wish them well. At the very least they need to be in jail for the rest of their lives.  This is not okay.  Im so angry for the young man's family that it took until NOW for someone to be arrested when this happened in Feb!  3 months?! 

Exactly.... You don't get out of your truck and confront someone going the road with a shotgun. No wonder Ahmed ran at him because he probably was thinking that he was going to get killed anyway. They need to convicted for this crime and put in jail for decades

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

Some reports now surfacing that Avery had a long record of gun violations and trouble with the law 

 

https://www.news4jax.com/news/2013/12/09/police-man-brought-gun-to-high-school-basketball-game/

 

 

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

On 5/8/2020 at 9:07 AM, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Some reports now surfacing that Avery had a long record of gun violations and trouble with the law 

 

https://www.news4jax.com/news/2013/12/09/police-man-brought-gun-to-high-school-basketball-game/

 

 

There's also 911 calls and surveillance but not seen it yet and unsure if people actually witness Arbery committing a crime and are pursuing him. 

 

If this was the case, I'd change my opinion, but more toward all being at fault. I still wouldn't yet see justification for blocking a road, it's not like they're police. In another slowed down version Arbery clearly runs toward the truck and then initiates contact with the guy on the ground. Unfortunately that will be seen as a problem on Arbery's end. If they were being zealous pursuers of what they thought was someone just committing a crime, being attacked first doesn't put them in a position of murder. Either it becomes a twisted self defense and no charges or negligent homicide or something. Murder requires an intent that seems gone from this picture. 

 

There's also still significantly important information we don't know that is crucial to understanding what happened.

Edited May 10, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

Now hearing that the home owner of the house that was being remodeled had called 911 several times to report people breaking in and the police dept told solicited the accused to help the homeowner watch the home, because he was a recently retired deputy.

 

Also remember the narrative that the man that was shot was a peaceful ex football player that jogged thru the neighborhood and stopped to play basketball with neighbors.

 

Here is a video of a police encounter with him in a local park. warning Language.

 

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/body-cam-footage-reveals-officers-asking-to-search-ahmaud-arberys-car-in-a-brunswick-park/

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

Naturally. This is why I don't believe the media and their pathetic narratives.

 

On that video, probably doing some dealing, probably smoking weed, acts like someone who's guilty of something (people who are belligerent with the cops are basically asking for trouble, I imagine this guy has a rap sheet as well with the way he acts), not sure that video really has anything that translates into something useful on this situation though, definitely destroys the saintly narrative. Seems like good distraction fodder for both sides on pushing their garbage either way.

 

Right now the two guys (and Arbery) still look just as culpable. Unless they saw something stolen and was ditched before the video started (which requires its own evidence), legally, I don't think they have much defense for blocking a public road with their vehicles, having their weapons out, with a conflict coming out of it that ends in them killing someone. Arbery doesn't have much defense for going at them and attacking. Both parties clearly were happy to have the confrontation. Opinion from last post hasn't changed atm, but who knows. Unless some conclusive piece of evidence surfaces, don't think it'll change much, if at all.

Edited May 20, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

1 hour ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Naturally. This is why I don't believe the media and their pathetic narratives.

 

On that video, probably doing some dealing, probably smoking weed, acts like someone who's guilty of something (people who are belligerent with the cops are basically asking for trouble, I imagine this guy has a rap sheet as well with the way he acts), not sure that video really has anything that translates into something useful on this situation though, definitely destroys the saintly narrative. Seems like good distraction fodder for both sides on pushing their garbage either way.

 

Right now the two guys (and Arbery) still look just as culpable. Unless they saw something stolen and was ditched before the video started (which requires its own evidence), legally, I don't think they have much defense for blocking a public road with their vehicles, having their weapons out, with a conflict coming out of it that ends in them killing someone. Arbery doesn't have much defense for going at them and attacking. Both parties clearly were happy to have the confrontation. Opinion from last post hasn't changed atm, but who knows. Unless some conclusive piece of evidence surfaces, don't think it'll change much, if at all.

I agree with you, just saying the " the poor innocent football player pillar of the community lynched while jogging"  narrative is absurd 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

Yet another video of him being arrested for shoplifting, which got his parole revoked. Guess who the lead invesgator was that got his parole revoked?

 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/ahmaud-arbery-shoplifting-video

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

Another development:

 

 

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Man who filmed Ahmaud Arbery shooting arrested; GBI says investigation wrapping up

 

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Three men have been arrested in the case, including the man who filmed the encounter, William “Roddie” Bryan Jr., 50. Bryan who was arrested Thursday on felony murder and criminal attempt to commit false imprisonment charges.

 

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Bryan was the third person arrested in the case. Reynolds said earlier that the department was investigating him, but Bryan's attorney, Kevin Gough, maintained his client's innocence and called on the GBI to clear his name.

"Roddie is a family man, NASCAR fan, and enjoys rock and roll. He is not now, and never has been, a 'vigilante'," Gough said in a statement this month. He added that Bryan was a witness to a crime.

Reynolds said Friday that there was no one recent discovery or fact in the investigation that led to Bryan's arrest, rather an accumulation of evidence. 

"If we believed he was a witness, we wouldn't have arrested him," Reynolds said.

 

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Gregory McMichael told police that he and his son believed Arbery matched the description of a burglary suspect. They grabbed their guns when they saw him running in the neighborhood and told police they weren't sure whether Arbery was armed.

Glynn County police told USA TODAY that they had no records of home break-ins or burglaries between Jan. 1 and Feb. 23 in that neighborhood. Local media reported one car burglary.

Surveillance video shows Arbery stopping at a house under construction before the McMichaels pursued him. However, the owner of the property said nothing was taken and video shows several people had entered the construction site over the course of several months.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/22/ahmaud-arbery-william-bryan-arrested-joyette-holmes-vows-justice/5242627002/

 

False imprisonment > murder.. the lead investigation guy talked about having evidence sufficient for probable cause on murder, which might be good for getting into a trial but atm it's an easy not guilty verdict naturally intended to placate and then pass outrage from the police/GBI to the jury or system as a whole. As it stands now with the information we have, the guys had no basis for blocking the road.. that's where the false imprisonment charges come from. You don't need to physically detain someone but coercive force (blocking the road and visibly armed) clearly intended to stop them is the same thing as citizens arrest/detainment, coupled with the call to police. Arbery ran at them and attacked. Attempt to commit false imprisonment seems like a slam dunk, if there's no proof on the guys' part they saw something. Murder is a huge long shot and more, to me, about PR and avoiding rationality to placate outrage. I think they could easily be charged with some lesser crime for Arbery's death if they have no proof Arbery committed a crime, but naturally outrage wouldn't accept it.

 

Things like this seem to happen in regions where people seek conflict. Both parties had every reason to avoid this and just chose to pursue it. One person is dead. Naturally, a person raised to act like an idiot is going to charge at these guys and behave the way Arbery did, the same way Arbery would've gotten himself tased being aggressive with a cop, got handled and arrested for theft, he's clearly among society's scum. Still, I wouldn't want to live in this neighborhood.. its not that uncommon for people to look at construction, it seems several people did, and while I'm aware that one of the guys involved in the shooting of Arbery had some theft from his vehicle occur, apparently there was no problems with people looking at construction until Arbery, so there's every reason until they prove otherwise to believe they singled Arbery out. 

 

Lesson to smart people: These things happen because there were several opportunities for people to make better choices and they bee-lined for a conflict. Unless someone puts you in a position where you either have no choice or there's no ambiguity of what happened, there's no reason to so aggressively seek a conflict. The guy was on video, follow him (from a safe distance) and call the cops, don't block him, don't seek confrontation. Not tough.

Edited May 22, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

1 hour ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Another development:

 

 

 

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/22/ahmaud-arbery-william-bryan-arrested-joyette-holmes-vows-justice/5242627002/

 

False imprisonment > murder.. the lead investigation guy talked about having evidence sufficient for probable cause on murder, which might be good for getting into a trial but atm it's an easy not guilty verdict naturally intended to placate and then pass outrage from the police/GBI to the jury or system as a whole. As it stands now with the information we have, the guys had no basis for blocking the road.. that's where the false imprisonment charges come from. You don't need to physically detain someone but coercive force (blocking the road and visibly armed) clearly intended to stop them is the same thing as citizens arrest/detainment, coupled with the call to police. Arbery ran at them and attacked. Attempt to commit false imprisonment seems like a slam dunk, if there's no proof on the guys' part they saw something. Murder is a huge long shot and more, to me, about PR and avoiding rationality to placate outrage. I think they could easily be charged with some lesser crime for Arbery's death if they have no proof Arbery committed a crime, but naturally outrage wouldn't accept it.

 

Things like this seem to happen in regions where people seek conflict. Both parties had every reason to avoid this and just chose to pursue it. One person is dead. Naturally, a person raised to act like an idiot is going to charge at these guys and behave the way Arbery did, the same way Arbery would've gotten himself tased being aggressive with a cop, got handled and arrested for theft, he's clearly among society's scum. Still, I wouldn't want to live in this neighborhood.. its not that uncommon for people to look at construction, it seems several people did, and while I'm aware that one of the guys involved in the shooting of Arbery had some theft from his vehicle occur, apparently there was no problems with people looking at construction until Arbery, so there's every reason until they prove otherwise to believe they singled Arbery out. 

 

Lesson to smart people: These things happen because there were several opportunities for people to make better choices and they bee-lined for a conflict. Unless someone puts you in a position where you either have no choice or there's no ambiguity of what happened, there's no reason to so aggressively seek a conflict. The guy was on video, follow him (from a safe distance) and call the cops, don't block him, don't seek confrontation. Not tough.

There is also this.... Also the homeowner had contacted the police about other trespassers.  One small point. It was not new construction it was a remodel and my understanding is was not open. 

 

Suspect in Arbery Shooting Offered to Help Deal With Potential Trespasser

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/16/us/ahmaud-arbery-gregory-mcmichael.html

 

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BRUNSWICK, Ga. — Two months before Ahmaud Arbery was fatally shot in Glynn County, Ga., a police officer there sent a text to a property owner who was worried about recurring trespassing incidents, a lawyer for the homeowner said on Friday.

 

The officer provided the phone number of a nearby resident, telling the owner to call it the next time his motion-sensing security cameras whirred into action.

[Oliversmom 250]

Some of you are talking about Arbery coming after the guys with guns.  I am a woman and have never had any trouble with the law.  But if two men were pointing guns at me and I thought I was going to be killed I would try to fight too.  In my opinion he was fighting for his life. These guys should be in prison for the rest of their lives.