Nolte: 16 Reasons Why I Believe Joe Biden Sexually Assaulted Tara Reade [merged threads]

[shaolincrane 69]

9 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

People should be shamed for weaponizing sexual assault. It's not a weapon. It's a crime. And by not doing something about it right away, if it really happened, one allows other victims to fall prey to that predator. 

 

The attempts to weaponize this, especially in recent times with extremely fraudulent claims, winds up being entirely counterproductive, it makes people less believable. So if that's the intent, it's going well.

Hardly, predators always will be that, predators. Ever searched the registered data base? Most of them have racked up a significant count. You say it's weaponized like rape or sexual assault isn't. I'm always a part of the the fight back immediately camp, but if I couldn't, I have no problem waiting until my enemy's highest achievement was in sight as a perfect opportunity to go for the throat. If true, and that's what she chose, then good for her. *He* ruined *her* life in ways no one will ever understand and definitely stole something from *her* *she* can never get back. (These words are emphasized as contextual and can be interchanged as needed as a general idea point, not for the current conversation)

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

4 hours ago, shaolincrane said:

Hardly, predators always will be that, predators. Ever searched the registered data base? Most of them have racked up a significant count. You say it's weaponized like rape or sexual assault isn't. I'm always a part of the the fight back immediately camp, but if I couldn't, I have no problem waiting until my enemy's highest achievement was in sight as a perfect opportunity to go for the throat. If true, and that's what she chose, then good for her. *He* ruined *her* life in ways no one will ever understand and definitely stole something from *her* *she* can never get back. (These words are emphasized as contextual and can be interchanged as needed as a general idea point, not for the current conversation)

"Not reporting them right away allows other victims to fall prey to that predator"

"Hardly, they're recidivists!"

 

Are you reading your own posts?

 

Note that the idea of shaming these women comes from the weaponization of the MeToo movement, the idea that women should be believed without proof. It's an idea of trust, and clearly one without merit.

 

Women who would come forward would overwhelmingly do so immediately because they fear for themselves, and even if they were the plotting type, they are likely smart enough to understand that keeping an actual predator on the street puts themselves and others at risk, precisely for the reason of recidivists you eluded to in your post.

 

There's no sensible avenue where a supposed "victim" should sit on someone's crime until the most politically expedient time. Where the actual crime occurred, it's going to be very rare, and it's far more likely that it's fabricated.

 

I've done my best to avoid the personal stuff, but my mother was raped and molested when a child, one of my sisters was drugged by a police officer my mom was dating and raped, I was sexualized myself at an early age and lost my virginity extremely young. So when we had my daughter I was extremely adamant about protecting her. I nearly went postal in her kindergarten year during summer camp where two boys asked her to show them her female parts, put their hands in her pants.. then a week later at a summer camp trip to a park with a wading pool an adult man came up to my daughter hanging on the playground web upside down (around shoulder height of an adult male) and groped her. When confronted by the staff the guy ran away. The police were called immediately, arrived fast, notified me within a few minutes, but later regretted it because I showed up lightning speed. They wound up looking for me because I talked to the staff myself and went hunting. I have no mercy toward predators, and it eats me alive even now that despite all my best efforts I wasn't able to keep my daughter away from them. So I take it seriously, far more seriously than the piles of garbage who sit there and trample on each and every victim by weaponizing a concept I found agreeable, which was believing women.

Edited May 2, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

My biggest amazement in all this is the 180  by the women must be believed crowd.

 

I saw a few clips of the biden interview on Tucker Carlson.  Looked like the lady interviewing him didnt ket him completely off the hook.

 

Carlson always looks like he is trying to find the root of 56454.789 in his head 

[sl1pstream 551]

Just now, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

My biggest amazement in all this is the 180  by the women must be believed crowd.

Eh, that works both ways, it's extremely frustrating to see conservatives jump on this after the multiple allegations against Trump and Kavanaugh were and still are being dismissed.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

Just now, sl1pstream said:

Eh, that works both ways, it's extremely frustrating to see conservatives jump on this after the multiple allegations against Trump and Kavanaugh were and still are being dismissed.

True to some extent,  but there was not one thing that would make a sane person think Ford did not invent her story.

 

As for Trump. Having been sheltered in place and watching all his press conferences,  i have come to the conclusion the man is a bit unbalanced.  His personality however is very typical of many entrepreneurs.  We use to call it Red Bird Brown.

 

Hey yall look at that Red Bird. Entrepreneurs say, nope its brown and steadfastly try to convince everyone its brown, and gets mad if you dont agree.

 

Those guys get stuff done, but cant function at the granular level

[sl1pstream 551]

3 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

True to some extent,  but there was not one thing that would make a sane person think Ford did not invent her story.

 

As for Trump. Having been sheltered in place and watching all his press conferences,  i have come to the conclusion the man is a bit unbalanced.  His personality however is very typical of many entrepreneurs.  We use to call it Red Bird Brown.

 

Hey yall look at that Red Bird. Entrepreneurs say, nope its brown and steadfastly try to convince everyone its brown, and gets mad if you dont agree.

 

Those guys get stuff done, but cant function at the granular level

Is entrepreneur a synonym for rapist? How is his entrepreneurship relevant here? 😛

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

4 minutes ago, sl1pstream said:

Is entrepreneur a synonym for rapist? How is his entrepreneurship relevant here? 😛

Its not I wandered in describing his personality trait.

And Laylalex did not try to stop me 😄

[shaolincrane 69]

1 hour ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

"Not reporting them right away allows other victims to fall prey to that predator"

"Hardly, they're recidivists!"

 

Are you reading your own posts?

 

Note that the idea of shaming these women comes from the weaponization of the MeToo movement, the idea that women should be believed without proof. It's an idea of trust, and clearly one without merit.

 

Women who would come forward would overwhelmingly do so immediately because they fear for themselves, and even if they were the plotting type, they are likely smart enough to understand that keeping an actual predator on the street puts themselves and others at risk, precisely for the reason of recidivists you eluded to in your post.

 

There's no sensible avenue where a supposed "victim" should sit on someone's crime until the most politically expedient time. Where the actual crime occurred, it's going to be very rare, and it's far more likely that it's fabricated.

 

I've done my best to avoid the personal stuff, but my mother was raped and molested when a child, one of my sisters was drugged by a police officer my mom was dating and raped, I was sexualized myself at an early age and lost my virginity extremely young. So when we had my daughter I was extremely adamant about protecting her. I nearly went postal in her kindergarten year during summer camp where two boys asked her to show them her female parts, put their hands in her pants.. then a week later at a summer camp trip to a park with a wading pool an adult man came up to my daughter hanging on the playground web upside down (around shoulder height of an adult male) and groped her. When confronted by the staff the guy ran away. The police were called immediately, arrived fast, notified me within a few minutes, but later regretted it because I showed up lightning speed. They wound up looking for me because I talked to the staff myself and went hunting. I have no mercy toward predators, and it eats me alive even now that despite all my best efforts I wasn't able to keep my daughter away from them. So I take it seriously, far more seriously than the piles of garbage who sit there and trample on each and every victim by weaponizing a concept I found agreeable, which was believing women.

No, just no. There are so many forms of predators and how they hurt is not for you or me to decide how, when, where they come forward. 

 

You are talking about weaponizing lies, which is not what I said in the slightest. 

 

You said something ridiculous like "if true, she should be shamed for waiting as long as she did." That's ###### ridiculous. If it's true who gives a flying how long they needed until they came forward.

 

You're talking about a powerful man that many are scared can hurt or ruin their lives even more than the initial assault potentially. So many women will say nothing, for fear of not being heard or worse, having their lives ruined even more for what they say. That powerful person could be a father, a boss, a husband, a wife, an uncle, a president, etc

 

If it's true it's their story to tell and the moment they do so is their decision. Situations like this can be extremely helpful for the victims to regain some of the power they think they lost. For some it's as simple as finally walking through the park where they were attacked alone, or seeing a wildly powerful public figure go down in flames. IF TRUE, they are a predator and rightfully deserve the consequences any way they unfold.

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[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

1 hour ago, shaolincrane said:

No, just no. There are so many forms of predators and how they hurt is not for you or me to decide how, when, where they come forward. 

 

You are talking about weaponizing lies, which is not what I said in the slightest. 

 

You said something ridiculous like "if true, she should be shamed for waiting as long as she did." That's ###### ridiculous. If it's true who gives a flying how long they needed until they came forward.

 

You're talking about a powerful man that many are scared can hurt or ruin their lives even more than the initial assault potentially. So many women will say nothing, for fear of not being heard or worse, having their lives ruined even more for what they say. That powerful person could be a father, a boss, a husband, a wife, an uncle, a president, etc

 

If it's true it's their story to tell and the moment they do so is their decision. Situations like this can be extremely helpful for the victims to regain some of the power they think they lost. For some it's as simple as finally walking through the park where they were attacked alone, or seeing a wildly powerful public figure go down in flames. IF TRUE, they are a predator and rightfully deserve the consequences any way they unfold.

Who gives a flying? The law. They have a legal and moral obligation to be diligent. This is why statutes of limitations exist. 

 

If true (extremely few in circumstances like this): Deserved to be shamed for waiting and putting others at risk.

 

If unproven: Tort/crime and money and/or prison.

 

As it is, extremely few who are actually victims will sit there and be plotting in this fashion. They are genuinely afraid, and want it resolved. 

 

This stuff about "powerful" and "stories" is just gag.

Edited May 2, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

2 hours ago, sl1pstream said:

Eh, that works both ways, it's extremely frustrating to see conservatives jump on this after the multiple allegations against Trump and Kavanaugh were and still are being dismissed.

They're likely jumping on it because the left are the ones who pretended the Ford accusations were anything other than a joke. Not that I think the Biden accusations have any actual proof (or merit) atm, but there's at least corroboration that was entirely absent in Ford (obviously it was a lie), while the left and the media had no qualms with defamation, all to get their way. Thankfully they failed.

Edited May 2, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[shaolincrane 69]

54 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Who gives a flying? The law. They have a legal and moral obligation to be diligent. This is why statutes of limitations exist. 

 

If true (extremely few in circumstances like this): Deserved to be shamed for waiting and putting others at risk.

 

If unproven: Tort/crime and money and/or prison.

 

As it is, extremely few who are actually victims will sit there and be plotting in this fashion. They are genuinely afraid, and want it resolved. 

 

This stuff about "powerful" and "stories" is just gag.

Here's the general scope of your law and it's very easy to find exceptions for the states that do have statutes as well.

 

"Many states do not have a statute of limitation in place for some forms of rape or all rape offenses. These states include Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Delaware, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming."

 

These women waiting are not putting others at risk because they are not responsible for their attackers continuing to hurt people, to suggest otherwise is ridiculous. That would be the equivalent of me violently killing one of the many persons that tried to stab or harm me in life because "well if I didn't they will just do it to someone else" instead of just peacefully disarming and leaving. Afterwards it's a simple case of he said she said, so don't give me this bull about statutes of limitations like after that period the crime never happened. 

 

You mention what they want resolved, many times, most times, they want to pretend like it never happened. But sure, if you have the stones to, try to shame a sexual assault victim to their face and look into the despair in their eyes and see if you hold true to your ridiculous mindset you have.

 

Just an FYI, you're the exact kind of person that keeps these people from coming forward, so kudos for that if that's your goal.

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[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

36 minutes ago, shaolincrane said:

Here's the general scope of your law and it's very easy to find exceptions for the states that do have statutes as well.

 

"Many states do not have a statute of limitation in place for some forms of rape or all rape offenses. These states include Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Delaware, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Nebraska, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Utah, Virginia, West Virginia, Wisconsin and Wyoming."

 

These women waiting are not putting others at risk because they are not responsible for their attackers continuing to hurt people, to suggest otherwise is ridiculous. That would be the equivalent of me violently killing one of the many persons that tried to stab or harm me in life because "well if I didn't they will just do it to someone else" instead of just peacefully disarming and leaving. Afterwards it's a simple case of he said she said, so don't give me this bull about statutes of limitations like after that period the crime never happened. 

 

You mention what they want resolved, many times, most times, they want to pretend like it never happened. But sure, if you have the stones to, try to shame a sexual assault victim to their face and look into the despair in their eyes and see if you hold true to your ridiculous mindset you have.

 

Just an FYI, you're the exact kind of person that keeps these people from coming forward, so kudos for that if that's your goal.

They are putting others at risk. You said yourself those committing the assaults are highly likely to do it again. Shame is pretty tame compared to the assaults others have undoubtedly received as a result.

 

Also, in your cut and paste, the key for those 29 states is "some forms", as in, the most serious crimes. The women who would do what Ford, or Reade is doing, but is actually a victim of what they claim, are extremely rare. It's this ridiculously low percentage of people you're getting bent out of shape about, and tripping over your own arguments on. Piling on emotional rants and using swear words has no effect on me, and doesn't overcome the quite compelling push for swift justice over using the law as a weapon. 

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[shaolincrane 69]

22 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

They are putting others at risk. You said yourself those committing the assaults are highly likely to do it again. Shame is pretty tame compared to the assaults others have undoubtedly received as a result.

 

Also, in your cut and paste, the key for those 29 states is "some forms", as in, the most serious crimes. The women who would do what Ford, or Reade is doing, but is actually a victim of what they claim, are extremely rare. It's this ridiculously low percentage of people you're getting bent out of shape about, and tripping over your own arguments on. Piling on emotional rants and using swear words has no effect on me, and doesn't overcome the quite compelling push for swift justice over using the law as a weapon. 

I'm not tripping over my arguments. They could report till the sun rises every day and then some but that won't stop them, they will still continue to do so. The are so many times where the law is utterly inadequate and to suggest otherwise is foolish, any decent lawyer could argue into one category of statute and out of another. Even if they did fall outside the statute of limitations then costing someone a job, marriage or presidency with true information is still a viable form of justice and punishment IMO.

 

Again, they are not responsible for their attackers actions in ANY WAY. They come forward when they can and the way they need to, to help themselves heal. If the truth is the truth, it doesn't change today, tomorrow or 100 years from now. You are not allowed to choose their justice for them.

 

 

You are responding like I'm defending the false accusers and I'm not. I think the false accusers are equally scum in their own right but the truth is the truth and coming forward with the truth should not reap any sort of backlash, punishment or certainly shame. Especially with such a complex situation involving far more than just the "law"

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

38 minutes ago, shaolincrane said:

I'm not tripping over my arguments. They could report till the sun rises every day and then some but that won't stop them, they will still continue to do so. The are so many times where the law is utterly inadequate and to suggest otherwise is foolish, any decent lawyer could argue into one category of statute and out of another. Even if they did fall outside the statute of limitations then costing someone a job, marriage or presidency with true information is still a viable form of justice and punishment IMO.

 

Again, they are not responsible for their attackers actions in ANY WAY. They come forward when they can and the way they need to, to help themselves heal. If the truth is the truth, it doesn't change today, tomorrow or 100 years from now. You are not allowed to choose their justice for them.

 

 

You are responding like I'm defending the false accusers and I'm not. I think the false accusers are equally scum in their own right but the truth is the truth and coming forward with the truth should not reap any sort of backlash, punishment or certainly shame. Especially with such a complex situation involving far more than just the "law"

The law this way favors logic. Evidence can spoil over time, harder to prove accusations, and naturally, timing accusations lends credence to the idea without proof that it's fabricated. Obviously no logic is going to get through to emotional irrationality. Not even when it clearly produces more victims or sets wretched precedents of using the law as a weapon.

Edited May 2, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds