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3 hours ago, laylalex said:

 

I *think* I have been pretty consistent for weeks saying I trust medical professionals in relevant fields when it comes to info about this virus. Doctors outside of their fields can speak in generalities but are (and should) likely to put it inside a bunch of caveats. I mean, my best friend Jenn is a family and employment law attorney. If I went to her asking if she could handle, say, a civil rights case, she would tell me she couldn't do it and refer me to someone who knows something in the area. She might sketch out what she knows about the law, but she would tell me not to trust her. I grew up with a doctor mom (primary care) and believe me, she would be the first to tell you that you need to trust specialists, not generalists, when it comes to things like COVID-19. 

 

Did you watch any of Dr. Erickson's videos?  At least the summary portion?  ER doctors with over 20 years of experience,  work in virology.  

Or do they not meet your criteria of legitimate doctors too?  

 

If you listen and disagree, that's fine.  If you listen and agree to some of it, ok.  But to simply refuse to watch it just because you don't like the views of the person posting their videos... that's pretty lame.

 

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3 hours ago, OriZ said:

Well, they don't make sense. Still waiting to find truth in there 

This video has been making it's rounds. The individuals have dubious motivations that I'm not getting into and they also have been very thoroughly debunked.

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1 minute ago, yuna628 said:

This video has been making it's rounds. The individuals have dubious motivations that I'm not getting into and they also have been very thoroughly debunked.

Where have they been debunked?  By whom?

 

Also, to which video are you referring?  There is more than one in this thread.

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Where have they been debunked?  By whom?

Well if I told you, would it matter? Would I be woke or would my head be in the sand? Which would make you feel better? 

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13 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Well if I told you, would it matter? Would I be woke or would my head be in the sand? Which would make you feel better? 

Say you have nothing, or provide links.  It's actually that simple.  I provided the videos by actual doctors in CA who provide some very clear facts about covid and our current situation.  Some refuse to watch the videos simply because it doesn't fit their personal beliefs.  Is that how YOU choose to be as well?

 

I'm not posting my.opinion here, but videos of ACTUAL doctors who are currently.engaged in fighting the virus.

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21 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Well if I told you, would it matter? Would I be woke or would my head be in the sand? Which would make you feel better? 

Kind of a deflection isn’t it.  Isn’t more information better?  I am certainly interested in reading opposing views.

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Say you have nothing, or provide links.  It's actually that simple.  I provided the videos by actual doctors in CA who provide some very clear facts about covid and our current situation.  Some refuse to watch the videos simply because it doesn't fit their personal beliefs.  Is that how YOU choose to be as well?

 

I'm not posting my.opinion here, but videos of ACTUAL doctors who are currently.engaged in fighting the virus.

 

  Remember this, from a couple of weeks ago:

 

   https://health.usnews.com/conditions/articles/social-distancing-skeptics-what-to-say

 

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A council representing more than 800,000 doctors across the U.S. signed a letter Friday imploring President Donald Trump to reverse his call for businesses to reopen by April 12, warning that the president's flouting of the guidance of public health experts could jeopardize the health of millions of Americans and throw hospitals into even more chaos as they fight the coronavirus pandemic.

 

  

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5 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Kind of a deflection isn’t it.  Isn’t more information better?  I am certainly interested in reading opposing views.

 

  You guys are having the same arguments about the same thing every day. It's like groundhog day in here. This is just another version of the same article about ending all restrictions immediately that is posted daily on here. The counter argument has been posted over and over. I don't really see any evidence that anyone here is listening to it. Fortunately governors and public health officials are listening though.

 

  Locally, I am looking forward to people returning to work tomorrow. It was fairly obvious we were at that point. Hopefully people act responsibly and continue to follow social distancing protocols so we don't see an increase in transmission.

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6 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Remember this, from a couple of weeks ago:

 

   https://health.usnews.com/conditions/articles/social-distancing-skeptics-what-to-say

 

 

  

Not really a refutation of the Drs. On the video since so much more is known.  

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1 hour ago, Voice of Reason said:

If your head is in the sand, I can see why one might say that.  But people who are actually woke can see the truth in there.  

 

 

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  They haven't said anything new. It's the same mixture of facts, hyperbole and misdirection that everyone who thinks restrictions should end immediately has been making. It's just one extreme of the same simple utilitarian argument. However no one is arguing the other extreme.

 

   These articles are the equivalent of a toddler trying to plug a square peg into a round hole. They might want it to happen, but it's not going to. Sometimes you just have to let them figure that out on their own. In the overall scheme of things, it doesn't really change anything if they do or not. We will all move on shortly.

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10 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  They haven't said anything new. It's the same mixture of facts, hyperbole and misdirection that everyone who thinks restrictions should end immediately has been making. It's just one extreme of the same simple utilitarian argument. However no one is arguing the other extreme.

 

   These articles are the equivalent of a toddler trying to plug a square peg into a round hole. They might want it to happen, but it's not going to. Sometimes you just have to let them figure that out on their own. In the overall scheme of things, it doesn't really change anything if they do or not. We will all move on shortly.

I am glad you are so optimistic that all this economic damage will go away soon.  You kind of sound the same as President Trump.  I hope you are right, but considering how deep into the supply chain this is going to hit us from food supply, to energy, it may not recover shortly.  We shall see as things start to open up and a great many states start clamoring for a bailout due to their lack of revenue.

 

My only issue with those still talking extending the lockdowns is they don’t seem to be considering the new data.  All we seem to see if any data comes out that shows a positive light is anyone discussing the data are quacks, or have their heads in the sand.  Maybe those folks also have dubious motivations. 

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39 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  They haven't said anything new. It's the same mixture of facts, hyperbole and misdirection that everyone who thinks restrictions should end immediately has been making. It's just one extreme of the same simple utilitarian argument. However no one is arguing the other extreme.

 

   These articles are the equivalent of a toddler trying to plug a square peg into a round hole. They might want it to happen, but it's not going to. Sometimes you just have to let them figure that out on their own. In the overall scheme of things, it doesn't really change anything if they do or not. We will all move on shortly.

If you are claiming hyperbole and misdirection, then I can guarantee you didn't watch the videos.  The doctors, who are experts in their fields, did none of that.   Dismissing it out of hand is just silly to do.  But anyone is free to do so, obviously.

 

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