28 Million Mail-In Ballots Went Missing in Last Four Elections

[90DayFinancier 910]

5 hours ago, Dashinka said:

You think local election offices are using the same technology as the financial institutions?  Can you prove that?

I am sure that not every election bureau has this capacity or maybe even capability. This coukd explain by Texas is resisting the change. States that have converted to mail systems earlier are ahead. 

 

Automation in Signature verification is not rocket science. Most DMVs in the us have digital pads today. 

[Ban Hammer 13,422]

9 hours ago, 90DayFinancier said:

Billions of dollars in checks change hands every day and are protected with electronic signature scanning. The same technologies are used by election offices. You are running out of objections.

does that take place  with ballots?

[90DayFinancier 910]

18 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

does that take place  with ballots?

In the best practice election systems, yes. 

[Ban Hammer 13,422]

7 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

In the best practice election systems, yes. 

ok, let's try this again.

what is the percentage of ballots in the usa that are checked with that system?

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

9 hours ago, 90DayFinancier said:

Most states have not standardized on mail ballots, so no. OR, wa , CA all have good do systems. Not every country opted in at the same time. 

 

If the CA voting system is good, as you rather proudly proclaim, then why did they get sued by Judicial Watch for over 3,000,000 bad voter registrations?

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

56 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

ok, let's try this again.

what is the percentage of ballots in the usa that are checked with that system?

You're wasting your time, I am afraid.  Even if you provide proof with links (such as with flu deaths), certain posters refuse to believe what they don't want to read/hear.

[90DayFinancier 910]

1 hour ago, Voice of Reason said:

If the CA voting system is good, as you rather proudly proclaim, then why did they get sued by Judicial Watch for over 3,000,000 bad voter registrations?

So judicial watch sues someone, and that proves what? How are they doing with their suits to deport President Obama 

 

2 hours ago, Ban Hammer said:

ok, let's try this again.

what is the percentage of ballots in the usa that are checked with that system?

The current subject is not all ballots in the USA, the subject is mail in ballots and the question asked was how do you know the registered voter signed it.

 

There is no one system as there are several vendors, as each county runs it's own system. The software does a good job in identifying ballots with mismatched signatures. Why the signatures are mismatched.

 

Then a human matching system kicks in, and eventually party challenges.  The voter should be notified and allowed to fix or amend or update their signature, but there are issues with the laws in regs not being suited.

 

Washington, Oregon and Colorado have been working on full mail in system for years and it took some time to perfect the systems. It is doubtful, even with funding from  that smooth running operation from there current absentee ballot system by November. States know they are going to be inundated with absentee ballot requests, they need to ramp up now.

 

Absentee ballots have been around how long? No one is arguing that people with mobility issues, the elderly, people servng their country away from home should be denied the vote, are they?  The current systems need to be scaled. 

 

The real question is why states are fighting these improvements? The sooner they start, I the sooner they get world class results.

 

 

[Dashinka 24,632]

23 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

So judicial watch sues someone, and that proves what? How are they doing with their suits to deport President Obama 

 

The current subject is not all ballots in the USA, the subject is mail in ballots and the question asked was how do you know the registered voter signed it.

 

There is no one system as there are several vendors, as each county runs it's own system. The software does a good job in identifying ballots with mismatched signatures. Why the signatures are mismatched.

 

Then a human matching system kicks in, and eventually party challenges.  The voter should be notified and allowed to fix or amend or update their signature, but there are issues with the laws in regs not being suited.

 

Washington, Oregon and Colorado have been working on full mail in system for years and it took some time to perfect the systems. It is doubtful, even with funding from  that smooth running operation from there current absentee ballot system by November. States know they are going to be inundated with absentee ballot requests, they need to ramp up now.

 

Absentee ballots have been around how long? No one is arguing that people with mobility issues, the elderly, people servng their country away from home should be denied the vote, are they?  The current systems need to be scaled. 

 

The real question is why states are fighting these improvements? The sooner they start, I the sooner they get world class results.

 

 

We just need laws in place that does not allow political operatives from any party to help someone fill out, or touch those ballots before they are counted.

[Ban Hammer 13,422]

21 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

So judicial watch sues someone, and that proves what? How are they doing with their suits to deport President Obama 

 

The current subject is not all ballots in the USA, the subject is mail in ballots and the question asked was how do you know the registered voter signed it.

 

There is no one system as there are several vendors, as each county runs it's own system. The software does a good job in identifying ballots with mismatched signatures. Why the signatures are mismatched.

 

Then a human matching system kicks in, and eventually party challenges.  The voter should be notified and allowed to fix or amend or update their signature, but there are issues with the laws in regs not being suited.

 

Washington, Oregon and Colorado have been working on full mail in system for years and it took some time to perfect the systems. It is doubtful, even with funding from  that smooth running operation from there current absentee ballot system by November. States know they are going to be inundated with absentee ballot requests, they need to ramp up now.

 

Absentee ballots have been around how long? No one is arguing that people with mobility issues, the elderly, people servng their country away from home should be denied the vote, are they?  The current systems need to be scaled. 

 

The real question is why states are fighting these improvements? The sooner they start, I the sooner they get world class results.

 

 

so i left out the word " mailed" when i said "what is the percentage of ballots in the usa that are checked with that system? "
i thought it was obvious what we were talking about.
so your answer is basically, you don't know.    some states this, some states that, and "each county runs it's own system" does not equal all mailed ballots being checked, and i'd be surprised if nationwide, the checking goes into

double digits.

[90DayFinancier 910]

1 hour ago, Ban Hammer said:

so i left out the word " mailed" when i said "what is the percentage of ballots in the usa that are checked with that system? "
i thought it was obvious what we were talking about.
so your answer is basically, you don't know.    some states this, some states that, and "each county runs it's own system" does not equal all mailed ballots being checked, and i'd be surprised if nationwide, the checking goes into

double digits.

The way I see people rat hole on the smallest minutiae hairsplitting details around here, why would I assume anything?

 

Are you saying that absentee ballots are not checked today? 

[Ban Hammer 13,422]

25 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

The way I see people rat hole on the smallest minutiae hairsplitting details around here, why would I assume anything?

 

Are you saying that absentee ballots are not checked today? 

i'm not the one making it sound like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

[90DayFinancier 910]

3 hours ago, Ban Hammer said:

i'm not the one making it sound like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Absentee ballots are provided to  a number of groups. If it works for them, why not expand it?  Increasing voter turnout helps everyone.

 

No intermediate agents, just mail the ballot to the registered voters home, have them mail  back.  

 

 

The arguments against I have heard here: it will get lost in the mail, republican ballots will get lost, and for some reason te person who was registered will not sign it, meaning their roommate,  kid or spouse , I guess intercepted and forged it. 

1. The mail systems work fine. Well enough for the postal service to insure $10,000 in cash.

2. If you have sophisticated gangs selectively tossing out select ballots to change an election, you have bigger problems that go beyond the mail.

3. We already established that signatures are checked 

 

 

[Cyberfx1024 7,980]

10 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

If the CA voting system is good, as you rather proudly proclaim, then why did they get sued by Judicial Watch for over 3,000,000 bad voter registrations?

Los Angeles had more registered voters than people eligible to vote. That is why they got sued. The state had almost the same problems. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

3 minutes ago, Cyberfx1024 said:

Los Angeles had more registered voters than people eligible to vote. That is why they got sued. The state had almost the same problems. 

Exactly.  So the voting situation in CA cannot be trusted, regardless of HOW they vote.  But surely the improperly registered voters could more easily vote by mail than in person, where an ID could be checked?

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

31 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

Absentee ballots are provided to  a number of groups. If it works for them, why not expand it?  Increasing voter turnout helps everyone.

 

No intermediate agents, just mail the ballot to the registered voters home, have them mail  back.  

 

 

The arguments against I have heard here: it will get lost in the mail, republican ballots will get lost, and for some reason te person who was registered will not sign it, meaning their roommate,  kid or spouse , I guess intercepted and forged it. 

1. The mail systems work fine. Well enough for the postal service to insure $10,000 in cash.

2. If you have sophisticated gangs selectively tossing out select ballots to change an election, you have bigger problems that go beyond the mail.

3. We already established that signatures are checked 

 

 

1. If the mail system "worked fine", then why are more people and businesses shipping UPS/FDX/AMAZON today? And no one is going to pay for insurance on their mail-in vote.

 

2. Haven't seen this claim about gangs.  

 

3. Are they though?  I honestly doubt it, and doubt it matters.

 

As a mail-in voter, I don't disagree with you on using the USPS.  My biggest complaint is against states putting the party check boxes on the outside.  That shouldn't be allowed/required.