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[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Just now, OriZ said:

Don't forget...that's after people have been sitting at home for over a month.

And without a control group going on with normal daily life, we have no idea how it could have been otherwise.

Overall, I am pretty satisfied with a 99.985% chance of survival.  It's far greater than with the flu, military service, or driving a vehicle.  

[OriZ 3,157]

29 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

And without a control group going on with normal daily life, we have no idea how it could have been otherwise.

Overall, I am pretty satisfied with a 99.985% chance of survival.  It's far greater than with the flu, military service, or driving a vehicle.  

Our "control group" is places that took action too late, and saw a much higher death toll.

 

I also think death is undercounted, not overcounted like some of you guys claim. Right now there's been about 200k known deaths. However, 180k of them are just in the last month(since the outburst really started growing exponentially in most places). I don't know about you, but as a rough average, I'm going to say covid kills 200k people per month(even if we assume the potential overcount reasons cancel out the potential undercount reasons, and assume lockdowns lowered it a good bit, while at the same time extrapolating it a few months forward - they might be arbitrary assumptions but those are my working assumptions, feel free to have your own).

 

Flu season on average is about 13 weeks. Lets assume covid kills 50,000 people per week throughout those 13 weeks. That's 650,000 people, exactly the same as the flu, no more, no less. So I don't agree it's "far greater". It's essentially the same, however it seems like with covid even those who don't die from it, and even those with mild symptoms, at times can end up with lingering issues you usually don't get with the flu. Blood clots, strokes, lung and brain issues, heart issues, you name it. Moreover, people die from flu outside of those 13 weeks as well, which is all counted in the 650,000 figure. With Corona, we can expect to hit that in the 13 weeks alone.

 

Also, most of those deaths will be additional, not in place of. So now we're going from 650,000 a year to 1.3 million at the very least, just like that. That puts your chance of survival of either at 99.98%. While that might sound good, having a 0.02%(rounded up) chance of dying from one or the other, isn't that great. It effectively means one out of every 5,000 people.  If you live in a town with 10,000 people, 2 people will end up dying from either the flu or covid. And that's per year. The next year there will be 2 more. To put it in perspective, 10 people in that same town with die from SCD every year. 

Edited April 25, 2020 by OriZ

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Many of the flu deaths (and SUV deaths, and pneumonia deaths, and suicides, and homicides, et. al.) are being counted as covid, if the deceased has/had covid.

[TBoneTX 45,963]

Doctor:  Nurse, code that patient's death as because of Coronavirus.

Nurse:  So you think the virus entered through one of the 7 bullet holes?

[Dashinka 24,741]

9 hours ago, OriZ said:

It's all you NB. You're the problem. Everyone else must be true MOR, you're just a leftie. 

 

Maybe it's time the president stopped acting like a rambling kid.

 

Don't forget...that's after people have been sitting at home for over a month.

Yeah, the best place to combat the virus is to sit home and lock the door.  Why doesn’t everyone do that?

[OriZ 3,157]

9 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

Many of the flu deaths (and SUV deaths, and pneumonia deaths, and suicides, and homicides, et. al.) are being counted as covid, if the deceased has/had covid.

And many covid deaths aren't even counted, as I said, at best(for your narrative) they cancel each other out, but chances are there's actually an undercount, not an overcount.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I just drank a 50-50 mix of Clorox and ammonia. I’ll let you guys know how it works. I was thinking of snorting a few lines of Comet too.

[OriZ 3,157]

[Dashinka 24,741]

41 minutes ago, spookyturtle said:

I just drank a 50-50 mix of Clorox and ammonia. I’ll let you guys know how it works. I was thinking of snorting a few lines of Comet too.

Was that because Tom B. and now Cronk went to TB?

[Steeleballz 7,550]

10 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

Many of the flu deaths (and SUV deaths, and pneumonia deaths, and suicides, and homicides, et. al.) are being counted as covid, if the deceased has/had covid.

 

  If there is a clear cause of death, ie. car accident and the person was Covid-19 positive, this is not "counted" as a death due to Covid-19. People that keep repeating this don't know what they are talking about. 

 

  If Covid-19 has been circulating longer than we thought, then the death total for Covid-19 has almost certainly been under reported, and likely by a very large margin. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 minute ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  If there is a clear cause of death, ie. car accident and the person was Covid-19 positive, this is not "counted" as a death due to Covid-19. People that keep repeating this don't know what they are talking about. 

 

  If Covid-19 has been circulating longer than we thought, then the death total for Covid-19 has almost certainly been under reported, and likely by a very large margin. 

I'm sure that is the policy in your clinic.  It's not the same policy elsewhere, as other health personnel have said publicly.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

12 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

I'm sure that is the policy in your clinic.  It's not the same policy elsewhere, as other health personnel have said publicly.

 

     That is not something determined by hospital policy. The only way to do what you suggest would be leave the rest of the information off the medical record. What is required (as far as cause of death) is that Covid-19 contributed to the death. As we go forward, the death totals for Covid-19 will be revised upward. They are going to find it as a contributing cause in more deaths than originally thought, not less.

 

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/17/fact-check-covid-19-death-toll-likely-undercounted-not-overcounted/2973481001/

Edited April 25, 2020 by Steeleballz

[90DayFinancier 910]

1 hour ago, spookyturtle said:

I just drank a 50-50 mix of Clorox and ammonia. I’ll let you guys know how it works. I was thinking of snorting a few lines of Comet too.

Checking in, do we call 9-1-1 or are you good?

[Dashinka 24,741]

29 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

     That is not something determined by hospital policy. The only way to do what you suggest would be leave the rest of the information off the medical record. What is required (as far as cause of death) is that Covid-19 contributed to the death. As we go forward, the death totals for Covid-19 will be revised upward. They are going to find it as a contributing cause in more deaths than originally thought, not less.

 

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/17/fact-check-covid-19-death-toll-likely-undercounted-not-overcounted/2973481001/

Could go either way.

 

Pa. removes 200 deaths from state coronavirus count as questions mount about reporting process, accuracy
 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pa-removes-200-deaths-from-state-coronavirus-count-as-questions-mount-about-reporting-process-accuracy/ar-BB13a4XF

[OriZ 3,157]

30 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

     That is not something determined by hospital policy. The only way to do what you suggest would be leave the rest of the information off the medical record. What is required (as far as cause of death) is that Covid-19 contributed to the death. As we go forward, the death totals for Covid-19 will be revised upward. They are going to find it as a contributing cause in more deaths than originally thought, not less.

 

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/17/fact-check-covid-19-death-toll-likely-undercounted-not-overcounted/2973481001/

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