Trumps Press Conference

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

2 hours ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

The thread is proof that "MORs" can be illogical too.

 

Also, I second the idea about trains just said somewhere. I support Trump, but only because he won me over after I didn't vote for him. Simultaneously, an ideologically leaning demographic (lets call them, the left), starting in the mid-2010s, had/has placed dramatic weight on the scale of nutty and deranged that for most of the prior decade had been toward the other side. I'm not on any political train driven by someone else, it's a lonely independent train here, the way I like it. 

 

I respect people who are genuinely moderates, but the fallacy therein for them I see fairly often is this eagerness to show people that they aren't on a certain "side" by jumping on the knee-jerk another "side" would be apt to do. Regardless of whether this was Obama or Trump, it would be just as meaningless. 

I voted for Trump and will again. Does not mean I will not criticize him when he does something stupid.

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1 hour ago, OriZ said:

I think the biggest fallacy is people who consider themselves moderates, or independents, but are almost always on a certain side.

Indeed. My side. And always. 

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3 hours ago, OriZ said:

I think it's a little bit of both.

 

From one MOR  to another...my advice to you is don't get on any trains. All of their stations need some serious bulldozing anyway.

 

Hmmm...to be fair, Biden isn't sounding better.

I think Biden understands that Viruses are not controlled by antibiotics

 

Edit: as most adults should

Edited April 24, 2020 by 90DayFinancier

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11 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

I think Biden understands that Viruses are not controlled by antibiotics

 

Edit: as most adults should

I dont think Biden knows what planet he is on.

Trump said something really stupid today

 

Biden says something stupid everytime he opens his mouth 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

2 hours ago, OriZ said:

I think the biggest fallacy is people who consider themselves moderates, or independents, but are almost always on a certain side.

I appreciate that someone finally pointed out that NB 2.0 is actually a leftist.  I didn't want to say it, but...

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2 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I voted for Trump and will again. Does not mean I will not criticize him when he does something stupid.

I can already honestly say I won't. Then again, I will likely never vote for any of the candidates, so there's that. I refuse to play to their hands any longer.

 

1 hour ago, 90DayFinancier said:

I think Biden understands that Viruses are not controlled by antibiotics

 

Edit: as most adults should

The point is he's not very coherent these days.

Edited April 24, 2020 by OriZ

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1 hour ago, OriZ said:

 

The point is he's not very coherent these days.

But he does smile a lot.  LOL

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10 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I am still overall on the Trump train, but it does give you pause. 

Anymore than Sleepy Joe?  As to the pressers, I do agree, it is time for Trump to step back from the daily baiting by the biased media.  Let Pence, Fauci, and Birx do it daily, and Trump can come in once a week or so if there is a need

10 hours ago, 90DayFinancier said:

I am seriously concerned about this man's health. Look at how articulate he was even 10 years ago and listen to him talk about " The germ has gotten so brilliant that the antibiotic can't keep up with it ... there's a whole genius to it ... not only is it hidden, but it's very smart."..and tell me that is the same man.

 

Are you talking about Joe Biden?

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I have participated in a lot of brainstorming sessions.  A lot of crazy ideas get thrown around.  Heck, French experts are studying nicotine as a therapeutic.  I will agree, brainstorming during a press conference is not the best place.  Regardless, I stopped watching these things a week ago, I am getting tired of listening to the biased media.

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The study itself also seems questionable.

It's warm and various levels of humid in Australia, Brazil, several parts of the US and a bunch of other places. It just seemed like it was there so that he could say he was right about something, even when he definitely wasn't.

 

At least that was followed by talk about shining UV light under your skin and injecting yourself with disinfectant, so everyone forgot about the bonkers study.

Edited April 24, 2020 by sl1pstream

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

So, after seeing Trump's statement in entirety on my own (video and transcript), the preceding detailed statement made by Bill Bryan, along with follow-up question from "Jim" and answers from Bryan and Trump, it was clearly a statement where Trump was rambling about Bryan's statement concerning research and not about "injecting people with chemicals":

 

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-coronavirus-press-conference-transcript-april-23

23:27 - 30:48

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Bill Bryan: Thank you, Mr. vice president. Thank you, Mr. president, for this opportunity to do this today. Good afternoon, everybody. My name is Bill Bryant and I lead the science and technology directorate at the US Department of Homeland Security. Over the last several months, we’ve intensified the department’s R and D efforts to identify and deliver information that informs our response to COVID-19. S and T is working to identify, develop, deploy and deploy the tools and information to support our response to this crisis. As part of our efforts, we’re leveraging the capabilities of S and T’s National Biodefense Analysis and Counter Measure Center to study the biology of the COVID-19 virus. This center is a high biocontainment laboratory located in Frederick, Maryland. It was established in the early 2000’s in response to the amerithrax attacks and where we study, characterize, analyze and develop countermeasures for biological threats to the homeland.

 

 

We work closely with the CDC, FDA, HHS, and also our Department of Defense colleagues and many others. Yesterday, I shared the emerging results of our work that we’re doing now with the coronavirus task force and today I would like to share a certain trends that we believe are important. If I may have the first slide please. And while that’s coming up, our most striking observation to date is the powerful effect that solar light appears to have on killing the virus, both surfaces and in the air. We’ve seen a similar effect with both temperature and humidity as well, where increasing the temperature and humidity or both is generally less favorable to the virus. So, let me illustrate with this first slide. If you look to the right, you’ll see that term half-life with a bunch of timestamps on there. First, let me tell you what a half-life is. We don’t measure the virus as far as how long will it live on a surface. We have to measure the decay of the virus in terms of its half-life because we don’t know certain-


… That has a bearing on how long the virus is going to be alive and active. So, we measure it in half-life because half-life doesn’t change. So, if you look at an 18 hour half-life, what you’re basically saying is that every 18 hours the life of the virus is cut in half. So, if you start with 1000 particles of the virus, in 18 hours you’re down to 500, and 18 hours after that you’re down to 250 and so on and so forth. That’s important as I explain the rest of the chart. If you look at the first three lines, when you see the word surface, we’re talking about non porous surfaces. Door handles, stainless steel, and if you look at as the temperature increases as the humidity increases with no sun involved, you can see how drastically the half-life goes down on that virus.


So, the virus is dying at a much more rapid pace just from exposure to higher temperatures and just from exposure to humidity. If you look at the fourth line, you inject the sunlight into that, you inject UV rays into that, the same effects on line two as 70 to 75 degrees with 80% humidity on the surface and look at line four but now you inject the sun, the half-life goes from six hours to two minutes. That’s how much of an impact UV rays has on the virus. The last two lines are aerosols, what does it do in the air? We have a very unique capability, I was discussing this with the president prior to coming out, he wanted me to convey it to you on how we do this. I believe we’re the only lab in the country that has this capability, but if you can imagine a five gallon Home Depot bucket, we’re able to take a particle, and this was design developed and designed by our folks at the NBAC. We’re able to take a particle of a virus and suspend it in the air inside of this drum and hit it with various temperatures, various humidity levels, multiple different kinds of environmental conditions to include sunlight. And we’re able to measure the decay of that virus while it’s suspended in the air. This is how we do our aerosol testing.


We worked with John Hopkins’ applied physics lab and we actually developed a larger drum to actually do more testing and it’s four times the size of that. So, this is the capability that we bring to this effort. So, in summary, within the conditions we’ve tested today, the virus in droplets of saliva survives best in indoors and dry conditions. The virus does not survive as well in droplets of saliva, and that’s important because a lot of testing being done is not necessarily being done, number one, with the COVID-19 virus and number two, in saliva or respiratory fluids. And thirdly, the virus dies the quickest in the presence of direct sunlight under these conditions. And when you look at that chart, look at the aerosol as you breathe it, you put it in a room, 70 to 75 degrees, 20% humidity, low humidity. Half-life is about an hour, but you get outside and it cuts down to a minute and a half. Very significant difference when it gets hit with UV rays. Mr. president, while there are many unknown links in the COVID-19 transmission chain, we believe these trends can support practical decision making to lower the risks associated with the virus. If I could have my next slide and while that comes up, you’ll see a number of some practical applications.


For example, increasing the temperature and humidity of potentially contaminated indoor spaces appears to reduce the stability of the virus, and extra care may be warranted for dry environments that do not have exposure to solar light. We’re also testing disinfectants readily available. We’ve tested bleach, we’ve tested isopropyl alcohol on the virus specifically in saliva or in respiratory fluids and I can tell you that bleach will kill the virus in five minutes. Isopropyl alcohol will kill the virus in 30 seconds and that’s with no manipulation, no rubbing. Just bring it on and leaving it go. You rub it and it goes away even faster. We’re also looking at other disinfectants, specifically looking at the COVID-19 virus in saliva. This is not the end of our work. As we continue to characterize this virus and integrate our findings into practical applications to mitigate exposure and transmission. I would like to thank the president, thank the vice president for their ongoing support and leadership to the department and for their work in addressing this pandemic. I would also like to thank the scientists not only in S and T and the NBAC, but to the larger scientific and R and D community. Thank you very much.

 

Trump:
[inaudible 00:29:46] a question that probably some of you are thinking of if you’re totally into that world, which I find to be very interesting. So, supposedly when we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re going to test that too. Sounds interesting, right? And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute.
 

 

 

 

Trump gets excited about Bryan's medical lingo and usage of inject, juxtaposes that in his excitement with wondering aloud if we couldn't find a way to get this to work in the human body. It's clear Trump is talking entirely about what Bryan said just prior.

 

Someone asks questions about this (clearly not paying attention as Bryan mentioned bleach/isopropyl not Trump), Trump and Bill Bryan both clarify it ISN'T about injecting people:

 

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Jim:

The president mentioned the idea of a cleaner, bleach and isopropyl alcohol emerging. There’s no scenario where that could be injected into a person, is there?

Bill Bryan:
No, I’m here to talk about the finds that we had in the study. We don’t do that within that lab at our labs.

Trump: 
[crosstalk 00:34:22] It wouldn’t be through injections, [inaudible 00:34:25] almost a cleaning and sterilization of an area. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn’t work, but it certainly has a big affect if it’s on a stationary object.

 

In the clips I saw on Youtube after seeing the OP it was obvious rambling, the context was clear after seeing the entire picture. The only way to come out with the idea that Trump is suggesting injecting people with things is by not paying attention and/or reading the MSM (or invoking TDS).

 

Reflexive Trump bashing isn't "middle of the road". You were wrong, NB, and your thread is premised on misleading nonsense fake news monetizes daily.

Edited April 24, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

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3 hours ago, sl1pstream said:

The study itself also seems questionable.

It's warm and various levels of humid in Australia, Brazil, several parts of the US and a bunch of other places. It just seemed like it was there so that he could say he was right about something, even when he definitely wasn't.

 

At least that was followed by talk about shining UV light under your skin and injecting yourself with disinfectant, so everyone forgot about the bonkers study.

uh, here we go again. I, myself, and I'm not a doctor or a scientist, have already demonstrated in numerous ways over the last few weeks how heat and humidity slows the spread way down. No one ever said infections will go away completely, so saying "it's warm in Australia, Brazil, several parts of the US" and expecting there to be 0 infections is totally unrealistic. What's the percent of infections per Brazil's huge population? Not very high. We also have to remember some countries like Brazil and India, not to mention countries in Africa, have major issues with sanitation in certain areas. Yet, overall their % of cases out of the total number of known cases in the world today is tiny. The flu never completely goes away in the summer either. The evidence here is totally undeniable in my opinion.

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2 hours ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

So, after seeing Trump's statement in entirety on my own (video and transcript), the preceding detailed statement made by Bill Bryan, along with follow-up question from "Jim" and answers from Bryan and Trump, it was clearly a statement where Trump was rambling about Bryan's statement concerning research and not about "injecting people with chemicals":

 

https://www.rev.com/blog/transcripts/donald-trump-coronavirus-press-conference-transcript-april-23

23:27 - 30:48

 

Trump gets excited about Bryan's medical lingo and usage of inject, juxtaposes that in his excitement with wondering aloud if we couldn't find a way to get this to work in the human body. It's clear Trump is talking entirely about what Bryan said just prior.

 

Someone asks questions about this (clearly not paying attention as Bryan mentioned bleach/isopropyl not Trump), Trump and Bill Bryan both clarify it ISN'T about injecting people:

 

 

In the clips I saw on Youtube after seeing the OP it was obvious rambling, the context was clear after seeing the entire picture. The only way to come out with the idea that Trump is suggesting injecting people with things is by not paying attention and/or reading the MSM (or invoking TDS).

 

Reflexive Trump bashing isn't "middle of the road". You were wrong, NB, and your thread is premised on misleading nonsense fake news monetizes daily.

Uh. No. He definitely said what people said he did. I guess you can use mental gymnastics to make it seem like he didn't if that's your thing.

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9 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

I appreciate that someone finally pointed out that NB 2.0 is actually a leftist.  I didn't want to say it, but...

Well since the great purge I might actually be to the left of the center in this group.

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4 hours ago, Dashinka said:

Anymore than Sleepy Joe?  As to the pressers, I do agree, it is time for Trump to step back from the daily baiting by the biased media.  Let Pence, Fauci, and Birx do it daily, and Trump can come in once a week or so if there is a need

Are you talking about Joe Biden?

That I agree. He is overdoing  it