Immigration Suspension Executive Order - MEGA THREAD

[FreyandRyan 330]

1 minute ago, RonnieKris said:

Thousands die every year from the flu and other virus'. This 'pandemic' has killed people like the others, mostly the elderly and those with underlying chronic illnesses....same as every year. The H1N1 flu virus of 09 and 10 killed younger people as well. That didn't shut down the country or the other nations, but this one did. Could there be an ulterior motive for this pandemic panic? This hysteria is being pushed very hard by the media. Motives?

So you think Italy, Spain, China, the U.K. etc all shutting down too is a global conspiracy against Trump? 

[RonnieKris 26]

1 minute ago, Abcd1234 said:

I think trump was for opening buisness, wasnt he?

 I rather see buisnesses open and waaaaaay more testing than what has been done

   

I agree!  Open business. Testing will prove show the virus is not as deadly as first predicted. Experts agree.

[Mr and Mrs S 207]

3 minutes ago, cd37 said:

I am not, I can only read what he writes, you guys have all insights and figured out meaning of all his tweets.  

An excerpt from his tweet which has everyone worried, "I will be signing an Executive Order to temporarily suspend immigration into the United States."

 

It's clear as daylight. Embassies are closed already. He wants to slow down the process further, it seems.

 

Maybe he should not use twitter to announce his policy decisions. I would much appreciate something more detailed. However, this is all we have to work with.

 

How do you interpret this? What do you think he is saying or trying to say?

[Xyrstine 224]

Just now, RonnieKris said:

Thousands die every year from the flu and other virus'. This 'pandemic' has killed people like the others, mostly the elderly and those with underlying chronic illnesses....same as every year. The H1N1 flu virus of 09 and 10 killed younger people as well. That didn't shut down the country or the other nations, but this one did. Could there be an ulterior motive for this pandemic panic? This hysteria is being pushed very hard by the media. Motives?

And those have not been deemed a global pandemic. That in itself shows the severity of this. The Spanish flu was deadly but did not spread like this due to how deadly it was and killed off those it infected. This is different. It infects and spreads far more dangerously in that you could be asymptomatic etc. The global spread and sheer stats of deaths should truly frighten you?? But no, since it has yet to affect you personally you will shrug your shoulders and say, death happens. Don't normalise this. It's really not. 

[Abcd1234 102]

7 minutes ago, RonnieKris said:

What would your options be to help stop the spread of the virus? Should everyone from everywhere be allowed to enter...legally or illegally? Please let us know your ideas.

Take it seriously from day 1 not from day 100.

Test like south korea, where you can go to driveway whoever wants.

Medicare for all.

Masks and social distancing from day 1 not when 1000 are dead already, learn from other countries where it spread already.

Dont make fun of people who wants to take it seriously by saying it is not even close to flue.

Tell the truth if you are a leader.

Learn from countries that did best.

 

[Sharig 18]

15 hours ago, Duke & Marie said:

I think if anything, it will be focused on employment based visas not spousal given the state of the economy right now, it’s kind of hard for employers to say they need foreign workers unless in a highly specialised field

Yes, I am thinking that too. I have applied for immigration as an abused spouse and I have recently done my bio metrics appointment right before the corona virus pandemic. The next step I am waiting for is receiving my work permit. Do you think they are still processing marriage based work permits? I really hope so!

[N400NYC 380]

1 minute ago, RonnieKris said:

Thousands die every year from the flu and other virus'. This 'pandemic' has killed people like the others, mostly the elderly and those with underlying chronic illnesses....same as every year. The H1N1 flu virus of 09 and 10 killed younger people as well. That didn't shut down the country or the other nations, but this one did. Could there be an ulterior motive for this pandemic panic? This hysteria is being pushed very hard by the media. Motives?

The comparison with "the flu" has been debunked countless times by medical experts. BUT, certain politicians and media pundits on the right continuing regurgitating the same erroneous information.

 

COVID19 (versus the flu):

- no vaccine

- more infectious

- higher fatality rate

- more serious after effects (medically)

- more serious societal impacts (given the need for social distancing to prevent outbreaks)

- many younger, previously healthy people have DIED

 

A global outbreak of an infectious disease is not a "pandemic" - it's a PANDEMIC. 

 

Motives for denying these facts? Politics. 

 

[cd37 229]

1 minute ago, Mr and Mrs S said:

An excerpt from his tweet which has everyone worried, "I will be signing an Executive Order to temporarily suspend immigration into the United States."

 

It's clear as daylight. Embassies are closed already. He wants to slow down the process further, it seems.

 

Maybe he should not use twitter to announce his policy decisions. I would much appreciate something more detailed. However, this is all we have to work with.

 

How do you interpret this? What do you think he is saying or trying to say?

I would interpret it exactly how it is written,” temperory suspension” but the way people have been commenting here is exaggeration without knowing all the details.

[FreyandRyan 330]

Just now, Sharig said:

Yes, I am thinking that too. I have applied for immigration as an abused spouse and I have recently done my bio metrics appointment right before the corona virus pandemic. The next step I am waiting for is receiving my work permit. Do you think they are still processing marriage based work permits? I really hope so!

I highly doubt that they would be able to pause currently processing status adjustments etc for people who are legally here. 

[RonnieKris 26]

1 minute ago, Xyrstine said:

And those have not been deemed a global pandemic. That in itself shows the severity of this. The Spanish flu was deadly but did not spread like this due to how deadly it was and killed off those it infected. This is different. It infects and spreads far more dangerously in that you could be asymptomatic etc. The global spread and sheer stats of deaths should truly frighten you?? But no, since it has yet to affect you personally you will shrug your shoulders and say, death happens. Don't normalise this. It's really not. 

Death does happen, even when we don't want it to. This is not the walking dead, I'm not hiding in my house waiting on CNN to give me the all clear. So if you are so fearful, you are for the temporary halting of immigration, right?

Just because you fear something doesn't mean I should fear it too.

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[Spenceraike4190 13]

What about the k1 visa,will it be affected also,my fiancee and I have long been apart,we need to get married and start our family,I need to know also,this can be very frustrating...

Edited April 21, 2020 by Spenceraike4190

[RonnieKris 26]

11 minutes ago, Xyrstine said:

Oh God. Here we go. Please look at the countries like Italy, Spain and UK. This is NOT like other viruses/flus. It has killed and will continue to kill without a vaccine. Those that are currently self isolating including our elderly and with underlying health conditions are sitting ducks right now. And you may ask how I know this??? ICU nurse here and seeing first hand that this virus does not discriminate. It is still killing those that are healthy and fit normally. 

 

 

If you are going to be so resolute is your thinking, at least make an informed opinion and not one out of utter ignorance.

I am resolute in my thinking. I also have looked at the numbers from the CDC for previous years. That is not ignorance. Watching CNN and cowering in the corner is not an informed decision either. When this is in the rear view mirror and the actual numbers are in we can all speak with assurance. Now the projections have been wrong for America.

[Dashinka 24,480]

5 minutes ago, N400NYC said:

The comparison with "the flu" has been debunked countless times by medical experts. BUT, certain politicians and media pundits on the right continuing regurgitating the same erroneous information.

 

COVID19 (versus the flu):

- no vaccine

- more infectious

- higher fatality rate

- more serious after effects (medically)

- more serious societal impacts (given the need for social distancing to prevent outbreaks)

- many younger, previously healthy people have DIED

 

A global outbreak of an infectious disease is not a "pandemic" - it's a PANDEMIC. 

 

Motives for denying these facts? Politics. 

 

Actually, with the antibody testing being done in CA and other places, the mortality rate number is looking more and more like the seasonal flu.  Regardless, Covid19 is not the seasonal flu as a disease,  but to the extent that it is more deadly is still an unanswered question.  In the meantime, millions are being put out of work, and it is not all retail workers, which appears to be the impetuous behind this potential EO.  There comes a time when the cure becomes worse than the disease.

Edited April 21, 2020 by Dashinka

[N400NYC 380]

4 minutes ago, Abcd1234 said:

Take it seriously from day 1 not from day 100.

Test like south korea, where you can go to driveway whoever wants.

Medicare for all.

Masks and social distancing from day 1 not when 1000 are dead already, learn from other countries where it spread already.

Dont make fun of people who wants to take it seriously by saying it is not even close to flue.

Tell the truth if you are a leader.

Learn from countries that did best.

 

USA did 0/7.

 

Given this it's not a surprise that nearly 800,000 have tested positive and >40,000 have died.