He Could Have Seen What Was Coming: Behind Trump’s Failure on the Virus

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On 4/14/2020 at 5:23 PM, Dashinka said:

Based on the simple fact that the EU has over 67k deaths with a similar population as the US.  Everyone handled this poorly, but the other reason I mention the EU is that they put no restrictions on travel from China back in January/February, and they did not suspend Shengen until after the virus had gained a foothold.  I suppose if a government wanted to ensure mass spread, they would follow the EU’s model.  Now that is not saying the US did much better, but we did delay things a bit to allow states to prepare, but of course most of them did nothing.

The US didn't actually ban flights from China. It may have banned Chinese nationals from entering the US, but the virus doesn't discriminate based on nationality. Same with the other ban, US citizens can still enter the country. The virus can still come as it pleases.

[Dashinka 24,492]

On 4/18/2020 at 6:43 AM, sl1pstream said:

The US didn't actually ban flights from China. It may have banned Chinese nationals from entering the US, but the virus doesn't discriminate based on nationality. Same with the other ban, US citizens can still enter the country. The virus can still come as it pleases.

Yeah, sure.  If the State Department didn’t arrange repatriation flights for USCs and US LPRs, I wonder what we would have heard.  I saw Bill Mahar try to use the same argument, Rep. Dan Crenshaw.

 

Maher then challenged Crenshaw on the travel ban, accusing Trump of "lying" about it since people "are still coming in" from China and said Trump's order affected only "foreign nationals."

"The reality is about 40,000 people came in after that," Crenshaw said. "These were U.S. citizens and green-card holders and passport holders being repatriated. U.S. citizens. So you have to make the argument then that we shouldn't allow them in.

"It sounds to me that you're fully agreeing with President Trump on this one and everybody else disagreed with him," he told Maher. "And if you're saying that the travel restriction should have been more extreme, then fine. You clearly had the foresight back then but nobody else did."

Crenshaw then knocked former Vice President Joe Biden, who disapproved of Trump's travel ban at the time, as well as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., for posing legislation to stop it. He also pushed back at Maher's "timeline" critical of the president's alleged inaction, citing a House vote Pelosi oversaw for banning flavored tobacco instead of prioritizing the growing pandemic.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/crenshaw-maher-clash-over-trump-is-goal-to-make-president-look-bad-or-get-to-the-truth/ar-BB12OwC9

[OriZ 3,157]

Anyone coming in should have been in quarantine for 14  days.

 

Also, this is pretty laughable:

 

"And if you're saying that the travel restriction should have been more extreme, then fine. You clearly had the foresight back then but nobody else did."

[Dashinka 24,492]

24 minutes ago, OriZ said:

Anyone coming in should have been in quarantine for 14  days.

 

Also, this is pretty laughable:

 

"And if you're saying that the travel restriction should have been more extreme, then fine. You clearly had the foresight back then but nobody else did."

I believe the folks coming in on repatriation flights were quarantined.  I am not sure if it was self quarantine, or a group level thing,  I seem to remember those folks being sent to either military bases, or other facilities, but I may be confusing them with cruise ship passengers.

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58 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

I believe the folks coming in on repatriation flights were quarantined.  I am not sure if it was self quarantine, or a group level thing,  I seem to remember those folks being sent to either military bases, or other facilities, but I may be confusing them with cruise ship passengers.

 

  Quarantine was only mandatory if they had symptoms. The first cases we had here were spread by contacts of people who had returned. Even though some of the individuals were in self quarantine, some were still coming in contact with relatives. 

 

  I know we've discussed it before, but failure to anticipate asymptomatic spread was the Achilles heel of the whole response. Even if we did everything else 100% right, we could not have had a successful containment by overlooking that possibility. They just assumed this spread like other respiratory viruses. Hopefully that will change future protocols.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

8 hours ago, Dashinka said:

Yeah, sure.  If the State Department didn’t arrange repatriation flights for USCs and US LPRs, I wonder what we would have heard.  I saw Bill Mahar try to use the same argument, Rep. Dan Crenshaw.

 

Maher then challenged Crenshaw on the travel ban, accusing Trump of "lying" about it since people "are still coming in" from China and said Trump's order affected only "foreign nationals."

"The reality is about 40,000 people came in after that," Crenshaw said. "These were U.S. citizens and green-card holders and passport holders being repatriated. U.S. citizens. So you have to make the argument then that we shouldn't allow them in.

"It sounds to me that you're fully agreeing with President Trump on this one and everybody else disagreed with him," he told Maher. "And if you're saying that the travel restriction should have been more extreme, then fine. You clearly had the foresight back then but nobody else did."

Crenshaw then knocked former Vice President Joe Biden, who disapproved of Trump's travel ban at the time, as well as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., for posing legislation to stop it. He also pushed back at Maher's "timeline" critical of the president's alleged inaction, citing a House vote Pelosi oversaw for banning flavored tobacco instead of prioritizing the growing pandemic.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/crenshaw-maher-clash-over-trump-is-goal-to-make-president-look-bad-or-get-to-the-truth/ar-BB12OwC9

crenshaw made maher look like a complete idiot.  he won't get invited back again.

[Dashinka 24,492]

2 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

crenshaw made maher look like a complete idiot.  he won't get invited back again.

Yeah, Maher was left “but, but, but”.  

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8 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

crenshaw made maher look like a complete idiot.  he won't get invited back again.

I got it taped. Got to watch.