He Could Have Seen What Was Coming: Behind Trump’s Failure on the Virus

[Steeleballz 7,550]

8 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

How many were available? At what price?  We never heard that info.  I seriously doubt they had enough tests for a country as small as Korea, let alone the US, at that time.  Besides, testing is no longer the issue.  Those can be done in every state now.

 

   We did. I posted it last time you asked.

 

   We wouldn't have need a lot of kits if we got them in January. There was a time when a few thousand kits would have been enough to get us going.

 

Edited April 13, 2020 by Steeleballz

[Dashinka 24,798]

1 minute ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   We did. I posted it last time you asked.

 

   We wouldn't have need a lot of kits if we got them in January. There was a time when a few thousand kits would have been enough to get us going.

I think you mean November/December.

[yuna628 9,714]

2 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Not true.  Did you see the other link I provided about testing at home?  I cannot attest to the accuracy, of course, but a friend who THOUGHT he had it ordered a kit online, it was hand-delivered the next day, and he had his results a few hours later.

The company also accidentally mailed him a kit, and he's trying to contact them to find out how to give it back to them.

Yes, you don't know the accuracy. Your friend could have COVID, and he paid a few hundred bucks to be told they may or may not. The 'normal' test kits have accuracy problems on a good day, and I'd be less likely to believe an 'DIY' kit like that. It is certainly true that we in this state still do not have the tests that we need, as well as other supplies. Those are facts man. The hospitals, the doctors, and the governor are not lying.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

Just now, Dashinka said:

I think you mean November/December.

 

  There was no kit available in November or December.

[Dashinka 24,798]

2 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  There was no kit available in November or December.

Should have been.  Oh wait, China was not telling anyone what was going on.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

5 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

The US at least closed the front door even if that was late, but they did not do anything at all about the back door, Europe.  Europe did not do anything until Italy was exploding  A lot of people failed on this globally, we have the UN/WHO toeing the CCP line, we have the CDC, and NIAID not taking on testing immediately, and I will agree, Trump failed for putting faith in the bureaucrats, and not restricting travel early enough.  Additionally, all the governors that have their own public health teams taking their cues from the WHO and CDC did nothing until it was too late.  And let’s not forget China for hiding this thing and silencing their own for months, but I suppose we should expect that.  My only point is this does not fall under the complete authority of the President.  To my knowledge, the governors of each state are not direct reports to the President, and they ave more public health powers than the federal government does.  If we want to play the blame game, let’s put it everywhere it belongs, we can add the mayors of the major cities as well.  As you said in an earlier post, governments are reactionary by nature (my interpretation), rarely do they do any that can be considered preplanning other than to spend some money to equip a strategic reserve. 

Ok, so the WHO is blameless.  I get it.

 

  It doesn't actually look like you're getting it. Nowhere did I say the WHO is blameless. I said we should stop deflecting the blame that should be placed on ourselves. That does apply to a lot of other countries too. You keep asking why we were not more like South Korea. We chose not to be. Our response was not determined by the WHO, it was determined by the US response teams.   

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 minute ago, Dashinka said:

Should have been.  Oh wait, China was not telling anyone what was going on.

 

  You read the WHO report I linked in a previous thread. The WHO had teams in China in early December. Denial is not going to get you anywhere Bill.

[Dashinka 24,798]

Just now, Steeleballz said:

 

  It doesn't actually look like you're getting it. Nowhere did I say the WHO is blameless. I said we should stop deflecting the blame that should be placed on ourselves. That does apply to a lot of other countries too. You keep asking why we were not more like South Korea. We chose not to be. Our response was not determined by the WHO, it was determined by the US response teams.   

I have been saying this all along which is why I am posting in a thread that shows the media throwing all the blame on President Trump.  Trump gets blamed over hydroxychloriquine, yet when governor Cuomo touts it, crickets.  Trump is lambasted by the Leftist media when he talks about reopening the economy, yet crickets when Governor Cuomo espouses the same views.  The government agencies (federal, state and local) have a lot of issues, most of which is the fact that they are reactionary by nature, so the postmortem  of this pandemic will have a lot of blame going around as it should in our federal republic.  As to the UN/WHO, their US funding should be cut just out of principle as I see no benefit from them at all.

[Dashinka 24,798]

3 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  You read the WHO report I linked in a previous thread. The WHO had teams in China in early December. Denial is not going to get you anywhere Bill.

And yet we get the direction there is no human-to- human transmission in January, it was wrong to restrict travel from China, etc. from the WHO in January and February.  

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

 

 

1 minute ago, Dashinka said:

And yet we get the direction there is no human-to- human transmission in January, it was wrong to restrict travel from China, etc. from the WHO in January and February.  

I agree with you.  Unfortunately, not everyone here wishes to be as open-minded as others.  You have to get on board with OMB sooner or later.

[Dashinka 24,798]

1 minute ago, Voice of Reason said:

 

 

I agree with you.  Unfortunately, not everyone here wishes to be as open-minded as others.  You have to get on board with OMB sooner or later.

A lot of UN supporters.  Everyone should be happy that the WH has come out and stated that Trump will not fire Fauci.

Edited April 13, 2020 by Dashinka

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

12 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

Should have been.  Oh wait, China was not telling anyone what was going on.

And what was the US busy with that took the focus away from where it SHOULD have been?  I think it was a fake impeachment...

[Steeleballz 7,550]

8 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

And yet we get the direction there is no human-to- human transmission in January, it was wrong to restrict travel from China, etc. from the WHO in January and February.  

 

   We got the direction that there was no asymptomatic transmission. They had confirmed direct human to human transmission in late December. They (and everyone else) were wrong about asymptomatic transmission.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

29 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Yes, you don't know the accuracy. Your friend could have COVID, and he paid a few hundred bucks to be told they may or may not. The 'normal' test kits have accuracy problems on a good day, and I'd be less likely to believe an 'DIY' kit like that. It is certainly true that we in this state still do not have the tests that we need, as well as other supplies. Those are facts man. The hospitals, the doctors, and the governor are not lying.

Actually, it's free if one has insurance.

Edited April 13, 2020 by Voice of Reason

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

32 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   We did. I posted it last time you asked.

 

   We wouldn't have need a lot of kits if we got them in January. There was a time when a few thousand kits would have been enough to get us going.

 

Well, I don't remember that convo.  And with us testing 10,000-12,000 daily, I doubt it would have made any difference at all.