Indiana Governor To Churches: Worship As I Say Or Be Shut Down

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

4 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   Seasonal flu is considered epidemic (after an outbreak) because it is never global in scope at any given time. If it ever was, it could be called a pandemic, but it is almost always isolated geographically and by hemisphere. So the difference is that while flu may spread to every area of the world in a given year, it won't be in every area at the same time.

 

  It was also a poor choice for Webster to use Malaria as an example of a pandemic, since it has never been one to my knowledge, even at it's most widespread. It is generally endemic, with occasional epidemic outbreaks. 

 

  The references to H1N1 can get murky, because there are seasonal strains that have been circulating for years,  and also there was the novel strain in 2009 that became pandemic. The pandemic strain of H1N1 was genetically distinct from the seasonal H1N1 strains that were already circulating and there was very little immunity to it. 

Makes sense I guess.  If I were in charge of the WHO, there would be parameters associated with endemic/epidemic/pandemic such as numbers, speed of spread, and location.  Maybe next lifetime...

Also, I don't see why HIV is still considered a pandemic.  It's about as commonplace as the flu, isn't it?  And while it IS global, the majority of the cases are in Sub-Saharan Africa.  Still has a high death rate, so maybe that's why.  

Thanks for the discussion.

[OriZ 3,157]

24 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Have you seen how many people in NYC are riding the subways nowadays?  Far more than are going to any churches or synagogues, I assure you.

And they should keep that to a minimum, but for some people it's the only way to get to work. I don't think you can compare the two.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

3 minutes ago, OriZ said:

And they should keep that to a minimum, but for some people it's the only way to get to work. I don't think you can compare the two.

Public contact in close proximity, regardless of the reason why one is there, still leads to spread, right?  NY was on lockdown, the people shouldn't be going to church OR work, that's what "isolate at home" is all about.  And yet, thousands upon thousands of people ride those filthy subways every single day, even now.

[OriZ 3,157]

4 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Public contact in close proximity, regardless of the reason why one is there, still leads to spread, right?  NY was on lockdown, the people shouldn't be going to church OR work, that's what "isolate at home" is all about.  And yet, thousands upon thousands of people ride those filthy subways every single day, even now.

There's work and then there's essential work.

[TBoneTX 45,571]

And everyone who's hair is so long that they resemble a hippie from the '60s is wondering why barbers weren't considered essential.

[Orangesapples 1,954]

1 hour ago, Voice of Reason said:

Public contact in close proximity, regardless of the reason why one is there, still leads to spread, right?  NY was on lockdown, the people shouldn't be going to church OR work, that's what "isolate at home" is all about.  And yet, thousands upon thousands of people ride those filthy subways every single day, even now.

That's why only essential workers are allowed to go to work... 

[TBoneTX 45,571]

"Essential" as decreed by authoritarians.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

5 hours ago, OriZ said:

Why are we acting like it's just churches? They treated synagogues in NY the same way(rightfully so), and I'm sure mosques aren't exempt either. Follow the law or get shut down and called to appear in court, take your pick.

 

This isn't an anti religion thing. it's a public health matter.

You know what you know, I guess.

 

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Kentucky's largest city cannot halt a local church's drive-in service planned for Easter, a federal judge on Saturday ruled.

 

On Fire Christian Church had sued Louisville Mayor Greg Fischer and the city after Fischer announced drive-in style religious gatherings were not allowed on Easter.

U.S. District Judge Justin Walker sided with the church, saying that the city is prohibited from “enforcing; attempting to enforce; threatening to enforce; or otherwise requiring compliance with any prohibition on drive-in church services at On Fire.”

“On Holy Thursday, an American mayor criminalized the communal celebration of Easter,” Walker wrote in his sternly worded 20-page opinion. “That sentence is one that this Court never expected to see outside the pages of a dystopian novel, or perhaps the pages of The Onion.”

Walker added that “The Mayor’s decision is stunning. And it is, ‘beyond all reason,’ unconstitutional."

Fischer had argued that drive-in church services weren’t “practical or safe” for the community. However, Walker noted that drive-thru restaurants and liquor stores were still allowed to operate.

“Thank God for a judge who understands the First Amendment prevents the government from prohibiting the free government exercise of religion,” tweeted Kentucky GOP Sen. Rand Paul.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/judge-kentucky-church-can-conduct-easter-drive-in-service

 

 

Edited April 12, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[Dashinka 24,629]

6 hours ago, Orangesapples said:

That's why only essential workers are allowed to go to work... 

so all the people packed into the filthy subway cars of NYC are essential workers?

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

9 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

so all the people packed into the filthy subway cars of NYC are essential workers?

Now you're getting it. Liquor store workers, restaurant workers, all essential, churches are a hobby and thus not essential. Planned parenthood and elective abortion.. also essential. 

 

Religion (specifically, Christianity) bad, abortion good, orange man bad, my way good! Exercise of your rights (or rights I don't like) meaningless, exercise of my rights essential! Pretty easy to understand methodology. 

[90DayFinancier 910]

1 hour ago, Dashinka said:

so all the people packed into the filthy subway cars of NYC are essential workers?

Where have you seen this? Ridership is down 92%

[Dashinka 24,629]

40 minutes ago, 90DayFinancier said:

Where have you seen this? Ridership is down 92%

Keep in mind with ridership down, NYC has also reduced train and bus service accordingly.
 

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/everybody-is-very-scared-struggle-to-keep-apart-on-subway/2368325/

[Dashinka 24,629]

1 hour ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Now you're getting it. Liquor store workers, restaurant workers, all essential, churches are a hobby and thus not essential. Planned parenthood and elective abortion.. also essential. 

 

Religion (specifically, Christianity) bad, abortion good, orange man bad, my way good! Exercise of your rights (or rights I don't like) meaningless, exercise of my rights essential! Pretty easy to understand methodology. 

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I have heard stories here in MI, people were pulled over for being too far away from home.  What a joke.  If I want to get in my car and drive up to see the Mackinac Bridge, I should be given that ability.  I do not need the government to impose its will for me to be responsible and practice physical distancing.  Our governor, Whitmer, is acting more like a nanny than a leader.  She should not be anywhere near the top ten on Biden’s list, she is no leader.

[Orangesapples 1,954]

2 hours ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Now you're getting it. Liquor store workers, restaurant workers, all essential, churches are a hobby and thus not essential. Planned parenthood and elective abortion.. also essential. 

 

Abortion is a time sensitive medical procedure, of course its essential. You can pray at home if that's your hobby, nothing will change if you don't go to the church physically. Not any more than will change for someone working out at home instead of going to the gym. 

[Orangesapples 1,954]

1 hour ago, Dashinka said:

Keep in mind with ridership down, NYC has also reduced train and bus service accordingly.
 

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/everybody-is-very-scared-struggle-to-keep-apart-on-subway/2368325/

There are transit workers that have gotten sick and some have died unfortunately...