CDC quietly deletes hydroxychloroquine guidance as study hyped by Trump comes into question

[Steeleballz 7,550]

16 hours ago, nykolos said:

My point is, regardless of any study, the drug helps... Cuomo announced today that 20 hospitals in New York are using hydroxychloroquine to treat Covid19 patients, Apparently 20 Hospitals didn't take the French study seriously, A study that just so happened to be cited by CNN, a network that would cite any source in the world that plays to their narrative. 

 

 

 

     My point is it does not. It only helps if used appropriately, and in the right clinical setting. When they are not using it that way, results tend to be like the study of US veterans linked below. Another study of severely ill patients showing no benefit and higher number of deaths in the groups getting HCQ. It has never been demonstrated to help patients who have progressed to acute respiratory syndrome. It really can't help that group of people at that stage of the illness, and it can potentially make it worse.

 

  More studies will show the outcome below unless they start targeting the treatment to people with milder forms of illness before they progress to severe disease. The key is identifying those people who will benefit from HCQ and treating them earlier, not randomly giving them HCQ when it's too late to help.

 

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.16.20065920v1

[Ban Hammer 13,491]

2 hours ago, 90DayFinancier said:

I really should back off, we have so many medical experts on this site already 🙄

 

well, i blame zuckerberg
https://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/736754-facebook-to-award-everyone-printable-medical-degree/

 

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

50 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

     My point is it does not. It only helps if used appropriately, and in the right clinical setting. 

How can both of those statements be true. ? 

All drugs only help if used appropriately and in the right settings 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

19 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

How can both of those statements be true. ? 

All drugs only help if used appropriately and in the right settings 

 

    Exactly. HCQ is no different. 

[OriZ 3,157]

7 hours ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

 

You basically said its too dangerous to take and don't take it because so many others take it daily and need it, in the same post

 

Those are really lame. All drugs can hurt you if taken wrong. Tylenol can kill you.

Well, people who take the drug long term for conditions like lupus need careful monitoring because after 5-10 years the side effects can get real bad.

 

Now, why would it be an issue then, to take it for a week or two if you have covid-19? Because they have found, some of the conditions, like the way this virus or rather your immune response to it affects the heart, can make this medication even worse for you and literally put your life at risk. It varies from patient to patient. Some might be able to handle it fine, but I think they're pretty much clear now on not giving it to anyone whose heart seems to be affected by the virus.

 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

On 4/21/2020 at 10:10 AM, OriZ said:

The drug has the potential to help,  under very certain circumstances, and for most people it's likely not going to provide any benefit, for some it will provide life threatening side effects. 

 

We can keep going around in circles but those are the simple known facts as we know them right now.

Also a simple fact that we know right now is that the HCQ cocktail has saved some peoples' lives that otherwise would have died from covid.  I know I'd take that chance if I were dying.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

21 hours ago, 90DayFinancier said:

The drug has the distinct possibility of harming.  

Other patients are experiencing a shortage.

Studies show there is not enough evidence to prove it works.

 

Cite people's personal views, the presidents optimistic view or CNN, the science doesn't back it up.

ALL drugs have a distinct possibility of harming or killing us.  Tylenol is a great example.  Can cause death with a very small overdose.  Ditto with many steroids that are over-prescribed today.  Doctors like to try and throw drugs at a problem and see what "sticks", but in reality, our bodies aren't made to need those drugs, and so MOST drugs come with potentially harmful side effects.  How many Lupus patients have died from taking HCQ in the past year?

[Steeleballz 7,550]

30 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Also a simple fact that we know right now is that the HCQ cocktail has saved some peoples' lives that otherwise would have died from covid.  I know I'd take that chance if I were dying.

 

    We have had anecdotes about this, not facts. It's helpful to recognize there is a difference.