Bernie Sanders Is Ending His Presidential Campaign

[Ban Hammer 13,491]

14 minutes ago, Orangesapples said:

It's extremely rare to hear anything reasonable from the conservatives. That's just my experience. I often don't agree with liberals. Conservatives are on a different level, way too out there and very far from any reasonable discussion point. 

i'd be very interested in reading what you consider to be unreasonable that is coming from the conservatives.

[Orangesapples 1,954]

13 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Ahhh, that.  Well, I wasn't the one who posted about it, so I cannot comment.

 

I never said that.  I AM rich, but it's with ideas and logic, not moolah, lol.

As for #3, not sure what $500k has to do with anything (You did not specify a filing category, so I don't want to assume anything)?  Here's the marginal tax brackets for 2020 if it helps further the discussion:

https://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/tax-brackets.aspx

 

As for #2, is that $32 million you mention regarding active or passive income?

You said you don't want to lose what you have worked for. The only way you would "lose" what you have worked for if Bernie is elected, is if you either make more than 500K year, in which case your marginal (so only on the dollars you make over 500K) tax rate would increase from 37% to 40%.

 

https://www.bernietax.com

 

The 32 million threshold ($16 million if filing single) is about wealth, not income. So you'd be taxed on any wealth you have over 32 million, starting at a 1% rate. So unless either your annual income or your wealth is that high, you won't see your taxes increase under Bernie's plan. 

 

If Medicare for all was enacted, you'd have to pay 4% tax on any income over 29000. But you wouldn't have to pay for premiums, deductibles and co-pays, so you'd end up saving money. You also wouldn't have to worry about losing your insurance if you got laid off or if your employer just decided to change it or if you decided to start your business. You also wouldn't have to worry about your premiums increasing 40% supposedly because of a pandemic but actually as a way to price gouge you. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/wendellpotter/status/1242969820762484736

 

[Orangesapples 1,954]

25 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

This is true. At some point I wondered if his teeth were going to fall out on live tv. At any rate a person of his age and health condition doesn't belong running for president.

So you have a house and then you also have a condo in Cali? Ummm.. well to us "poors" standards, yes you are quite wealthy. He's not the poorest member of congress by a longshot. If that's what being poor is.... LOL!

It'll be aired on live on...  Zoom? 😉 

I have a condo I own with my spouse, I call it a house sometimes because it looks like one. I'm not wealthy at all, we have to pay our mortgage every month. We have regular jobs. It's very expensive because it's in SoCal. But if two regular people can own a house more expensive than Bernie's, he's definitely not wealthy. 

22 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

i'd be very interested in reading what you consider to be unreasonable that is coming from the conservatives.

I'm not really interested in listing it here at all. 

[Ban Hammer 13,491]

23 minutes ago, Orangesapples said:

 

I'm not really interested in listing it here at all. 

so you are unwilling to furnish any information to back up your conclusion.  sounds a lot like the same playbook Michael Mann used..........

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

2 hours ago, Orangesapples said:

I agree with progressives a lot but not on everything. I try not to put myself in a certain category because that makes you biased. But so many right wing points are insane. They're just way too out there. 

You agree with liberals but think conservatives are crazy  but dont want to be biased. 

 

Psst. Lol never mind

[Orangesapples 1,954]

7 minutes ago, Ban Hammer said:

so you are unwilling to furnish any information to back up your conclusion.  sounds a lot like the same playbook Michael Mann used..........

What conclusion? I just corrected people saying I'm a liberal when I don't identify as one. I do agree with liberals on some issues (such as most conservative ideas being insane) but I have no interest in explaining further. I don't think the audience is receptive and I don't find it enjoyable. 

[yuna628 9,700]

34 minutes ago, Orangesapples said:

I have a condo I own with my spouse, I call it a house sometimes because it looks like one. I'm not wealthy at all, we have to pay our mortgage every month. We have regular jobs. It's very expensive because it's in SoCal. But if two regular people can own a house more expensive than Bernie's, he's definitely not wealthy. 

 

If two people who work manage to pull in enough income to own a condo in SoCal and continue to live a comfortable life in SoCal, and said condo is apparently more expensive than Bernie's, then yes both you and Bernie are wealthy. There's no shame in admitting that, but I'd rather Bernie stop pretending he's some mystical man of the 'poor people' or that he somehow has some insight to understand us in a patronizing way, when he's no different than any other rich politician out there making money scamming the masses.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

1 hour ago, Voice of Reason said:

I think what Ban Hammer is trying to point out to not just you, but ALL of us is that we (at least you and I, in this particular thread) are using sweeping generalizations such as "liberals" or "conservatives".  I get where you're coming from, because I feel the same/opposite way you do when it comes to liberals.  I find I rarely agree with most liberals, even though my online testing has indicated that I am actually more liberal. Perhaps we should take the discussion away from large groups, and point it towards persons/stances/ideas/campaigns, etc.

Instead of "It's extremely rare to hear anything reasonable from the conservatives", let's talk about an issue with which you don't agree that has more conservative support.  We as humanity need to get away from group labels and talk about what really matters.

 

Ban Hammer, if I am off the mark here, feel free to delete my post.  But I THINK that is where you were trying to guide the discussion.

Its real simple. You either MDL or MDR with a very rare few unbiased middle of the road like me.

 

Notice how most conservative people openly embrace the label and admit it.

 

Most liberals bristle at the label of liberal and use substance words like progressive. 

Its like they got a compulsion they are ashamed of.

[yuna628 9,700]

Just now, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

Its real simple. You either MDL or MDR with a very rare few unbiased middle of the road like me.

 

Notice how most conservative people openly embrace the label and admit it.

 

Most liberals bristle at the label of liberal and use substance words like progressive. 

Its like they got a compulsion they are ashamed of.

Well if I was a liberal, I wouldn't be ashamed of it. What I dislike is the immediate labeling of someone that disagrees with someone else on a subject as inherently 'liberal' or 'leftist' or 'conservative' or 'right'. It's utilized as a slur and stated in a sneering way, which of course won't get a very productive discourse out of anyone, you know? My thoughts are over the spectrum depending on the particular subject, and mostly libertarian, though socially liberal as I think a lot of libertarians would be.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

6 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

Well if I was a liberal, I wouldn't be ashamed of it. What I dislike is the immediate labeling of someone that disagrees with someone else on a subject as inherently 'liberal' or 'leftist' or 'conservative' or 'right'. It's utilized as a slur and stated in a sneering way, which of course won't get a very productive discourse out of anyone, you know? My thoughts are over the spectrum depending on the particular subject, and mostly libertarian, though socially liberal as I think a lot of libertarians would be.

Ditto.  And probably why I enjoy (most of, lol) your posts so much.  I live in a state where I am required to choose one party or another to vote, and I just refuse to do that.  

[Orangesapples 1,954]

3 minutes ago, yuna628 said:

If two people who work manage to pull in enough income to own a condo in SoCal and continue to live a comfortable life in SoCal, and said condo is apparently more expensive than Bernie's, then yes both you and Bernie are wealthy. There's no shame in admitting that, but I'd rather Bernie stop pretending he's some mystical man of the 'poor people' or that he somehow has some insight to understand us in a patronizing way, when he's no different than any other rich politician out there making money scamming the masses.

According to calculators such as this one:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/09/06/are-you-in-the-american-middle-class/

 

Or this one:

 

https://money.cnn.com/interactive/economy/middle-class-calculator/

 

we're upper middle class but if we have just one child, we'll be middle class. Of course either of us might lose their job in an instant. So no, not wealthy, not even rich. Neither of us is even in a managerial position. Just regular professional jobs. 

 

A senator's salary is over $170K. Of course you'll be able to afford to buy a house in Vermont on that salary. Of course that it makes sense to buy a condo in DC rather than rent. Of course that you're not poor or struggling. That doesn't mean you're scamming anyone. Now, if you accept donations from special interests, that's a different story. Bernie doesn't do that. He is fighting for the poor people. It was thanks to him that the coronavirus bill has the unemployment increase provision that benefits poor people. This is a great speech he gave a few days ago:

 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

51 minutes ago, Orangesapples said:

 

I'm not really interested in listing it here at all. 

I was going to ask you about this, but I see Ban Hammer beat me to it.

 

So you use the wide-sweeping claim that "all conservatives are crazy" in their ideals, yet you won't discuss any particular idea with us that you disagree with.

 

Can you see how that is just adding to the problem, and doing nothing to unify anyone?  And how it also make YOU just as biased as the worst conservative you can think of?

[Orangesapples 1,954]

1 minute ago, Voice of Reason said:

I was going to ask you about this, but I see Ban Hammer beat me to it.

 

So you use the wide-sweeping claim that "all conservatives are crazy" in their ideals, yet you won't discuss any particular idea with us that you disagree with.

 

Can you see how that is just adding to the problem, and doing nothing to unify anyone?  And how it also make YOU just as biased as the worst conservative you can think of?

I don't remember saying I'm trying to unify the vj users. I was just explaining why I don't identify as liberal. I'm anti conservative but I don't accept many liberal ideas. Does that sound better to you? I'm anti conservative because most conservative ideas sound insane to me. I'm not interested in a vj discussion about one random issue I decide to give as an example. 

[Dashinka 24,743]

2 minutes ago, Orangesapples said:

I don't remember saying I'm trying to unify the vj users. I was just explaining why I don't identify as liberal. I'm anti conservative but I don't accept many liberal ideas. Does that sound better to you? I'm anti conservative because most conservative ideas sound insane to me. I'm not interested in a vj discussion about one random issue I decide to give as an example. 

What is interesting is that President Trump is definitely not a conservative.

[laylalex 7,300]

17 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

What is interesting is that President Trump is definitely not a conservative.

I agree with you, but there are an awful lot of conservatives who have embraced his ideology.