COVID 19 is the number one cause of death for April 7th in the US

[Steeleballz 7,550]

 

8 hours ago, Orangesapples said:

 

And way more people will die from COVID 19 than swine flu. 

 

8 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

What makes you say this?

 

   The number of deaths due to Covid-19 in the USA is already higher than the estimated US death total for 2009 H1N1. 

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11 hours ago, Orangesapples said:

https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/1830480/

 

It's just a flu after all. 

BTW , way cool "race" visual. There is a visual available for power bi that does that as well 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

2 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  I thought we cleared this up. Covid-19 is reportable to the CDC. Covid-19 can be listed as the primary cause of death or as a contributing cause of death on a death certificate.

That's what happened to the guy who was killed by a SUV while riding his bike.  Testing after the fact indicated he had covid-19, so now he's a stat.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

 

 

 

   The number of deaths due to Covid-19 in the USA is already higher than the estimated US death total for 2009 H1N1. 

Kinda.  Depends in which numbers you opt to believe.  But give it a couple days, and you should be more right.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

20 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Kinda.  Depends in which numbers you opt to believe.  But give it a couple days, and you should be more right.

 

    The actual numbers of Covid-19 deaths are already higher than what you see. In that some of the deaths in the last week have not been reported yet. If someone dies today it may show up in tomorrow's totals, but in many cases can take several days to get reported.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

2 hours ago, Dashinka said:

I agree, and I am not questioning that.  Just not sure anyone saw our discussion.  Btw, did you see the post talking about open air wards?

 

   I saw discussion of it. I couldn't remember if it was here or another site. I don't have much input as it is not really a scenario for the climate where I am. It's 72 out today and it will be in the 20's on Sunday. Some scenarios work better for outdoor setups than other. It's probably a good alternative in places where you can't get a positive pressure environment and you have a suitable climate.

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6 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

    The actual numbers of Covid-19 deaths are already higher than what you see. In that some of the deaths in the last week have not been reported yet. If someone dies today it may show up in tomorrow's totals, but in many cases can take several days to get reported.

Yes, I get that there are many variables.  That's why the H1N1 death toll is listed as 150K-500k.  No one really knows, even 11 years later.  Just as no one really knows about covid, today.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

4 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   I saw discussion of it. I couldn't remember if it was here or another site. I don't have much input as it is not really a scenario for the climate where I am. It's 72 out today and it will be in the 20's on Sunday. Some scenarios work better for outdoor setups than other. It's probably a good alternative in places where you can't get a positive pressure environment and you have a suitable climate.

That's awesome.  I suspect that breathing in 20° air would have a severely limiting effect on the virus.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

10 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Yes, I get that there are many variables.  That's why the H1N1 death toll is listed as 150K-500k.  No one really knows, even 11 years later.  Just as no one really knows about covid, today.

 

  That's the worldwide estimate, not the US one. The actual worldwide total was about 18000 confirmed deaths. Worldwide numbers are difficult to given the lack of information from so many countries. What you are seeing for Covid-19 so far are confirmed cases. Ten years from now they will come up with a model to estimate the total number of dead and that number will also be higher.

 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  That's the worldwide estimate, not the US one. The actual worldwide total was about 18000 confirmed deaths. Worldwide numbers are difficult to given the lack of information from so many countries. What you are seeing for Covid-19 so far are confirmed cases. Ten years from now they will come up with a model to estimate the total number of dead and that number will also be higher.

 

 

 

US, you mean?

 

Yes.  As I said, totals are highly inaccurate because... NO ONE KNOWS.  That is the beauty of epidemics and pandemics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic_in_the_United_States

 

ETA: Yes, the numbers will most likely be higher.  Not that they SHOULD be, if you delete all the dead that were dead even without covid-19.  

Edited April 9, 2020 by Voice of Reason

[Steeleballz 7,550]

5 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

US, you mean?

 

Yes.  As I said, totals are highly inaccurate because... NO ONE KNOWS.  That is the beauty of epidemics and pandemics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic_in_the_United_States

 

ETA: Yes, the numbers will most likely be higher.  Not that they SHOULD be, if you delete all the dead that were dead even without covid-19.  

 

    No, meaning that only about 18000 deaths worldwide were confirmed by a positive lab tests. The 150K-500K is an extrapolated estimate.   

 

   There is no way to really determine who died with Covid-19 that would have died anyway if they didn't get it. People who were near death I guess. Most Americans over the age of 40 have some degree of cardiovascular disease. Many of them will live to age 80 under non stress conditions. Getting severe hypoxia secondary to viral pneumonia is a major stressor for those chronic conditions. It might trigger heart failure, but it doesn't mean someone was otherwise going to die of that anytime soon.

 

   That is why they come up with a model to estimate deaths though. It corrects for some of the other factors like people who might have died anyway. It also estimates people who might have died at home and never sought medical attention. They don't have enough information to do that yet. Eventually they will use the same format as h1N1, where they will have an estimated range of deaths. 

[Orangesapples 1,954]

1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

 

    No, meaning that only about 18000 deaths worldwide were confirmed by a positive lab tests. The 150K-500K is an extrapolated estimate.   

 

   There is no way to really determine who died with Covid-19 that would have died anyway if they didn't get it. People who were near death I guess. Most Americans over the age of 40 have some degree of cardiovascular disease. Many of them will live to age 80 under non stress conditions. Getting severe hypoxia secondary to viral pneumonia is a major stressor for those chronic conditions. It might trigger heart failure, but it doesn't mean someone was otherwise going to die of that anytime soon.

 

   That is why they come up with a model to estimate deaths though. It corrects for some of the other factors like people who might have died anyway. It also estimates people who might have died at home and never sought medical attention. They don't have enough information to do that yet. Eventually they will use the same format as h1N1, where they will have an estimated range of deaths. 

Your patience is admirable. 

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3 hours ago, Voice of Reason said:

US, you mean?

 

Yes.  As I said, totals are highly inaccurate because... NO ONE KNOWS.  That is the beauty of epidemics and pandemics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_swine_flu_pandemic_in_the_United_States

 

ETA: Yes, the numbers will most likely be higher.  Not that they SHOULD be, if you delete all the dead that were dead even without covid-19.  

The beauty of pandemics, smh