We Cannot Destroy The Country For The Sake Of New York City

[OriZ 3,157]

Heh, or maybe they just came to the realization it was a terrible idea.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 minute ago, OriZ said:

Heh, or maybe they just came to the realization it was a terrible idea.

Or maybe people who disconnect from the media, and go about their normal lives are doing just fine?

[OriZ 3,157]

6 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Or maybe people who disconnect from the media, and go about their normal lives are doing just fine?

Maybe. I also heard North Korea decided they're pacifists from now on.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 minute ago, OriZ said:

Maybe. I also heard North Korea decided they're pacifists from now on.

Meh, a country who just shoots their infected can't really be viewed as pacifist now, can they?

[OriZ 3,157]

1 minute ago, Voice of Reason said:

Meh, a country who just shoots their infected can't really be viewed as pacifist now, can they?

Soooo...are you saying they're not pacifists?

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

5 minutes ago, OriZ said:

Soooo...are you saying they're not pacifists?

I've never been there myself. But I was very close by when they executed everyone on a boat whose motor died and they drifted into S. Korean waters.  Even the teenagers.  So I'm gonna guess NOT pacifists.

[OriZ 3,157]

2 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

I've never been there myself. But I was very close by when they executed everyone on a boat whose motor died and they drifted into S. Korean waters.  Even the teenagers.  So I'm gonna guess NOT pacifists.

Okay. So I'm gonna guess people who disconnect from the media, and go about their normal lives aren't all doing just fine.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

8 minutes ago, OriZ said:

Okay. So I'm gonna guess people who disconnect from the media, and go about their normal lives aren't all doing just fine.

Clearly they are doing fine. Whereas those who listen to the media are likely scared as all hell, after likely listening to the media interview public figures telling them to engage in behaviors conducive to spread of the virus, especially if they happen to be in the NYC and SF areas, but those two are just the biggest examples.

Edited April 5, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[OriZ 3,157]

6 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

Clearly they are doing fine. Whereas those who listen to the media are likely scared as all hell, after likely listening to the media interview public figures telling them to engage in behaviors conducive to spread of the virus, especially if they happen to be in the NYC and SF areas, but those two are just the biggest examples.

I couldn't care less what the media says. I look at data. All the time. All day long. Saying if you just don't listen to the media you'll be fine is just like saying if you never go to the doctor you will always be healthy.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

1 minute ago, OriZ said:

I couldn't care less what the media says. I look at data. All the time. All day long. Saying if you just don't listen to the media you'll be fine is just like saying if you never go to the doctor you will always be healthy.

What you're saying is relevant if someone is regularly listening to their doctor and their doctor is advising them to behave in a way that isn't in their best health interests, then facilitating their panic, which is also not good for their health.

 

Beyond that, the media isn't like a doctor, not by a mile. Strange if your data didn't tell you this.

[OriZ 3,157]

1 minute ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

What you're saying is relevant if someone is regularly listening to their doctor and their doctor is advising them to behave in a way that isn't in their best health interests, then facilitating their panic, which is also not good for their health.

 

Beyond that, the media isn't like a doctor, not by a mile. Strange if your data didn't tell you this.

Missed the point by a mile. Oh well.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

9 minutes ago, OriZ said:

Missed the point by a mile. Oh well.

There was no other point to infer from only a few words, unless there was some meaning to half of the short post about you looking at data all day long. I just assumed it had no relevance and so ignored it.

Edited April 5, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[OriZ 3,157]

2 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

There was no other point to infer from only a few words, unless there was some meaning to half of the short post about you looking at data all day long. I just assumed it had no relevance and so ignored it.

No, it had nothing to do with that part of it.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

8 minutes ago, OriZ said:

No, it had nothing to do with that part of it.

In that short post then you drew an obvious comparison between the media and doctors.

 

The vast majority of people don't watch that much news. Similarly, our analytics tells us they have a low threshold in tolerance to the news, in the sense that they're quick to turn the channel, change videos, close browser window, etc. That tells me people don't see the media as very useful, and primarily tune in when afraid and most prone to making irrational choices. So in that time when NYC's health commissioner was busy telling people to run their ***es down to Chinatown lest they be racists, that would've actually been the best time to not be paying attention. Shortly after these messages, the Wuhan virus rapidly spread around NYC, to which this health commissioner made sure to use more media time to blame Trump for, without irony.

 

Pretty clear that the media is rarely useful, and most often, should be ignored. It also means people who ignore the media more tend to make better choices as well. Not a coincidence.

Edited April 5, 2020 by Burnt Reynolds

[OriZ 3,157]

11 minutes ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

In that short post then you drew an obvious comparison between the media and doctors.

 

The vast majority of people don't watch that much news. Similarly, our analytics tells us they have a low threshold in tolerance to the news, in the sense that they're quick to turn the channel, change videos, close browser window, etc. That tells me people don't see the media as very useful, and primarily tune in when afraid and most prone to making irrational choices. So in that time when NYC's health commissioner was busy telling people to run their ***es down to Chinatown lest they be racists, that would've actually been the best time to not be paying attention. Shortly after these messages, the Wuhan virus rapidly spread around NYC, to which this health commissioner made sure to use more media time to blame Trump for, without irony.

 

Pretty clear that the media is rarely useful, and most often, should be ignored. It also means people who ignore the media more tend to make better choices as well. Not a coincidence.

I'm not saying the media is portraying this situation correctly, at all. They like to be sensationalist, for sure, and aren't known for being very accurate. When I see them talking about nothing but the number of new cases, 60k, 80k, oh look we have more than 1 million cases, and then they mention deaths(that's kinda like bringing up unemployment after the market drops 50%) to portray it as this horrific situation that's only getting worse. Surely, they're clueless. That said, it's not something we should take lightly either just because the media reports on it idiotically.

 

So, I don't watch, or pay attention to what the media is saying on this. I do pull the data itself - new cases, number of tests, etc...and have a sheet that I update and analyze daily. Unlike the media, I don't care about total cases, but rates of increase, and ratio of cases to tests, and all the other things I've been mentioning in here for the last few weeks. Based on that, and contrary to the way the media paints it, the last week has definitely been looking gradually better, and I expect that to continue. However, my issue with the comment of saying if people don't pay attention to the media they'll be fine, is one has nothing to do with the other. While the media's panic might be unwarranted, this is a real virus, and some of those people aren't fine. Over 60,000 people are already dead, and I'm sure some of them didn't pay attention to the media.

 

My comparison was to someone who never goes to the doctor. Since they never go to the doctor, they are never diagnosed with anything, so they are healthy. But not going to the doctor and not being told you have an illness doesn't mean you don't have it, just like not watching news on a virus doesn't mean the virus isn't there, even if the news tends to be a little hyperbolic about it.