The mayor of coronavirus-plagued New Orleans took a shot at Trump, saying the city would have canceled Mardi Gras if the federal government had taken the outbreak seriously

[TBoneTX 45,814]

7 hours ago, Burnt Reynolds said:

anyone that can get their hands on masks

Absent excellent luck, it might be weeks or even months before most regular people can land a supply of masks.

I've also heard nothing about production of masks sized for children, toddlers, or infants.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

8 hours ago, Nitas_man said:

Being that maximum spread is most profitable to the industry that also issues the guidelines I am wondering now who benefits here most from ignoring data from and experience of other (much more densely packed) countries and choosing to continue spreading nonsense.  

 

 

     That's a mess you got going on there. Let me know when you figure it out. 

[Lemonslice 4,941]

30 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

Absent excellent luck, it might be weeks or even months before most regular people can land a supply of masks.

I've also heard nothing about production of masks sized for children, toddlers, or infants.

Ideally, children should stay home, that's why they closed schools, but bandana or scarf is better than nothing.  Smaller masks exist, but probably easier to make your own now.

Plenty of tutorials on how to sew your own masks - even some no-sew, and 3D printed options. Etsy sellers are busy. 

 

CDC recommendation: 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover.html

 

Good pattern here: https://www.snhhealth.org/getattachment/Emergency-Services/COVID-19/Sewing-Masks-for-Donations/SIMPLE-Directions-for-Craftpassion-com-Face-Mask-with-Pocket-(2).pdf.aspx?lang=en-US

 

I have some left from my trip to Japan, and my husband is using construction ones.  Third week at home, I've been out (of my home and yard) once, to pick up meds at the vet. Otherwise, we've been ok with deliveries, and weekly trip to the grocery. 

 

It must be regional, because I've been seeing people with masks since January around here - but, there's always a few older Asian ladies wearing them in my neighborhood. More and more, every week.  More recently, protection glasses. 

 

I know New Balance is sewing and testing masks and protective clothes now, but they're intending to make gear for hospitals.

 

Nice ideas in Gainesville also: https://www.gainesville.com/news/20200326/more-coronavirus-diy-uf-upcycles-for-masks%3ftemplate=ampart

 

Hopefully, no one on the forum will be affected too badly, but the numbers are not too good. 

 

 

[Nitas_man 3,100]

6 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

     That's a mess you got going on there. Let me know when you figure it out. 

Getting there.  
 

Step one:  disregarding everything with a disclaimer that says “save that for us”

[Nitas_man 3,100]

6 hours ago, Lemonslice said:

Ideally, children should stay home, that's why they closed schools, but bandana or scarf is better than nothing.  Smaller masks exist, but probably easier to make your own now.

Plenty of tutorials on how to sew your own masks - even some no-sew, and 3D printed options. Etsy sellers are busy. 

 

CDC recommendation: 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/cloth-face-cover.html

 

Good pattern here: https://www.snhhealth.org/getattachment/Emergency-Services/COVID-19/Sewing-Masks-for-Donations/SIMPLE-Directions-for-Craftpassion-com-Face-Mask-with-Pocket-(2).pdf.aspx?lang=en-US

 

I have some left from my trip to Japan, and my husband is using construction ones.  Third week at home, I've been out (of my home and yard) once, to pick up meds at the vet. Otherwise, we've been ok with deliveries, and weekly trip to the grocery. 

 

It must be regional, because I've been seeing people with masks since January around here - but, there's always a few older Asian ladies wearing them in my neighborhood. More and more, every week.  More recently, protection glasses. 

 

I know New Balance is sewing and testing masks and protective clothes now, but they're intending to make gear for hospitals.

 

Nice ideas in Gainesville also: https://www.gainesville.com/news/20200326/more-coronavirus-diy-uf-upcycles-for-masks%3ftemplate=ampart

 

Hopefully, no one on the forum will be affected too badly, but the numbers are not too good. 

 

 

Nita’s going with the pocket type, we’re using microfiber cloth as filler.  Currently in “production” stage.  We’ll see.

 

Nothing for the kids, they haven’t been out since early March (anywhere) and we don’t see a good way to break the transfer chain.  
 

Everything from the outside will have to go through “garage processing”.  Wipedown, nitrile gloves, the works.  Mail?  Same.  
 

Dunno what else to do.  NY seems to have been literally coated in COV and I’m

pretty sure the streets weren’t filled with criteria-meeting “symptomatic” people.  Iceland’s data seems to show a 1:1 asymptomatic to symptomatic spread which ratchets the risk a lot higher than was communicated over the last few weeks.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

43 minutes ago, Nitas_man said:

Getting there.  
 

Step one:  disregarding everything with a disclaimer that says “save that for us”

 

   If you can find N95's no one is stopping you from buying them. No one ever said you couldn't wear them, just like no one is telling you now that you have to.

 

   If you don't understand why suppliers have decided to prioritize these for health care workers who are directly caring for highly infectious patients instead of letting asymptomatic people buy them to go out shopping, I don't think anyone can help you with that.  

[yuna628 9,696]

1 hour ago, Nitas_man said:

Nita’s going with the pocket type, we’re using microfiber cloth as filler.  Currently in “production” stage.  We’ll see.

 

Nothing for the kids, they haven’t been out since early March (anywhere) and we don’t see a good way to break the transfer chain.  
 

Everything from the outside will have to go through “garage processing”.  Wipedown, nitrile gloves, the works.  Mail?  Same.  
 

Dunno what else to do.  NY seems to have been literally coated in COV and I’m

pretty sure the streets weren’t filled with criteria-meeting “symptomatic” people.  Iceland’s data seems to show a 1:1 asymptomatic to symptomatic spread which ratchets the risk a lot higher than was communicated over the last few weeks.

Personally, from the research I've done I would not recommend microfiber cloth. You need at least three layers. The outside must be something that is a good quality tightly woven 100% cotton. A good quality bandanna, flour sack tea towel, or good quality pillow case or cloth. Even at the tightest woven this will not stop the bug from getting through, so you need a good breathable yet impenetrable filter along with the fabric being good tight fit. The best types are going to be something removable if you want it to be washed effectively. So filters that can work are HEPA vacuum bags, non-woven fabrics like meltblown or polypropylene, interfacing, or perhaps the highest quality that can be found on the market - OLY FUN fabric or FILTI filter fabric. Interfacing doesn't have to be disposable and can be washable, so can oly fun to some degree before it degrades. One entire HEPA bag can be made into four masks, but will be disposable. Microfibers, silks, and mixed fabrics that are stretchy blends with polyester are not going to provide adequate protection. I have trouble with them saying ''oh use a scarf' or any old thing. If we want our healthcare workers to be protected, we should want that protection too. Better something than nothing? Perhaps, but some terrible designs I've seen it's also like walking around like nothing at all. Kind of like driving around ignoring that check engine light and convincing oneself it's going to be okay.

Edited April 4, 2020 by yuna628

[Nitas_man 3,100]

1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   If you can find N95's no one is stopping you from buying them. No one ever said you couldn't wear them, just like no one is telling you now that you have to.

 

   If you don't understand why suppliers have decided to prioritize these for health care workers who are directly caring for highly infectious patients instead of letting asymptomatic people buy them to go out shopping, I don't think anyone can help you with that.  

I perfectly understand essential and this has nothing to do with something so shallow as “shopping”.  

 

Our neighbors make hydrogen for us to use to produce the diesel for the trucks and jet fuel for the cargo planes that deliver your toys to you.  They also make oxygen.  No oxygen and no fuel to deliver it?  Your ventilators might as well get unplugged and stored in a refrigerated truck with the patients who needed them.

 

We make the  PP and neoprene and PVC that your gloves are made of.  We also make tons and tons of IPA (isopropyl) that is used for the sanitizer to clean the hands that wear them.  The hypo byproduct that is diluted into bleach?  Goes without saying.  No PP?  Also means no surgical masks that are made from it.
 

No gloves no sanitizer no oxygen no surgical masks no fuel to deliver them and you’re in your parking lot with ungloved thumbs up your backside and nothing to sanitize those thumbs when you pull them out to use them.  Getting this yet?  

 

All that stuff gets made for and can be used by anyone in the community, not “just you”, and that stuff gets made and packaged and carried around by people who cannot stop, cannot get sick, and cannot be replaced. People who are, by the way, fit tested, certified to work in IDLH conditions, and work with highly dangerous substances to make it which yes as correctly noted make PPE discussion boring.

 

So while the prattling here is entertaining my interest here is doing every thing possible, and having everyone else do every thing possible, to make that happen.

 

(Shout out to 3M because even though we make the materials, those boys stamp out the masks and they can’t get sick or that stops too)

 

Point:  REAL essential work affects everyone.  That supply chain is as good as the community around it.  We supply the suppliers and if you don’t understand how important that is go to the top of the page and review again.

 

Reiterating:  The three trillion dollar medical industry that enjoys the enormous markup on our products has failed to accurately communicate risk and failed to correctly outline safety and by doing so risks their own health in addition to the health of the community they failed.  As it turns out perfectly healthy asymptomatic people are also “highly infectious” so there is not a single whit’s bit of difference between your risk and anyone else’s.

 

You’re dismissed.  On your way out of this you can leave a thank you behind for all those boys who supply your supplier’s suppliers and it would be better to spend more time figuring out how to get them safely to and from doing that and less time playing god with the things they make.  Better investment I think.  After all no “shopping” (for anyone) if there’s nothing to buy.

 

Be safe!

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

17 hours ago, Ban Hammer said:

someone needs to test joe biden....

I saw him last night. Guy is so obviously impaired its absurd.

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,378]

1 hour ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   If you can find N95's no one is stopping you from buying them. No one ever said you couldn't wear them, just like no one is telling you now that you have to.

 

   If you don't understand why suppliers have decided to prioritize these for health care workers who are directly caring for highly infectious patients instead of letting asymptomatic people buy them to go out shopping, I don't think anyone can help you with that.  

I got a couple of N95. They are not the most comfort friendly masks in the world 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

42 minutes ago, Nature Boy 2.0 said:

I got a couple of N95. They are not the most comfort friendly masks in the world 

 

  I have a few at home. They are for if/when I get sick so I can minimize spread. 

 

  I have some surgical masks, which are not that useful. I'm not using those because I don't go anywhere outside anyway.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

1 hour ago, Nitas_man said:

I perfectly understand essential and this has nothing to do with something so shallow as “shopping”.  

 

Our neighbors make hydrogen for us to use to produce the diesel for the trucks and jet fuel for the cargo planes that deliver your toys to you.  They also make oxygen.  No oxygen and no fuel to deliver it?  Your ventilators might as well get unplugged and stored in a refrigerated truck with the patients who needed them.

 

We make the  PP and neoprene and PVC that your gloves are made of.  We also make tons and tons of IPA (isopropyl) that is used for the sanitizer to clean the hands that wear them.  The hypo byproduct that is diluted into bleach?  Goes without saying.  No PP?  Also means no surgical masks that are made from it.
 

No gloves no sanitizer no oxygen no surgical masks no fuel to deliver them and you’re in your parking lot with ungloved thumbs up your backside and nothing to sanitize those thumbs when you pull them out to use them.  Getting this yet?  

 

All that stuff gets made for and can be used by anyone in the community, not “just you”, and that stuff gets made and packaged and carried around by people who cannot stop, cannot get sick, and cannot be replaced. People who are, by the way, fit tested, certified to work in IDLH conditions, and work with highly dangerous substances to make it which yes as correctly noted make PPE discussion boring.

 

So while the prattling here is entertaining my interest here is doing every thing possible, and having everyone else do every thing possible, to make that happen.

 

(Shout out to 3M because even though we make the materials, those boys stamp out the masks and they can’t get sick or that stops too)

 

Point:  REAL essential work affects everyone.  That supply chain is as good as the community around it.  We supply the suppliers and if you don’t understand how important that is go to the top of the page and review again.

 

Reiterating:  The three trillion dollar medical industry that enjoys the enormous markup on our products has failed to accurately communicate risk and failed to correctly outline safety and by doing so risks their own health in addition to the health of the community they failed.  As it turns out perfectly healthy asymptomatic people are also “highly infectious” so there is not a single whit’s bit of difference between your risk and anyone else’s.

 

You’re dismissed.  On your way out of this you can leave a thank you behind for all those boys who supply your supplier’s suppliers and it would be better to spend more time figuring out how to get them safely to and from doing that and less time playing god with the things they make.  Better investment I think.  After all no “shopping” (for anyone) if there’s nothing to buy.

 

Be safe!

 

   I have not worn a mask yet during this pandemic. The ones I do have, I bought a long time before this all started. The rest I donated last month. If there were enough to go around I would certainly wear them, but there are not and I don't. I don't personally work with isolation patients and I would rather have the masks available for people who do. Just my opinion. As much as you seem to need someone to blame for whatever issue you are having, people working in hospitals don't actually make recommendations about wearing masks. The president, the surgeon general, the governors, an infectious disease specialist and the CDC are the people who are doing that. Whether you listen to them or not is up to you, but ultimately, the people who recommend you wear a mask are the same people who recently told you not to wear them. 

 

  What I do is stay home as much as possible, like they have asked people to do. I also do the same things I always do during flu season, and many of those are the reason I have not had so much as a runny nose in the last 2.5 years. The rest of your post aside, just do what they ask you to do, and you don't really need to worry that much about masks. Whether or not I do get sick with this virus, chances are a simple surgical mask will have very little impact on that. However I do want those ICU nurses to be there if I need them. So do you.

 

 

Edited April 4, 2020 by Steeleballz

[Lemonslice 4,941]

3 hours ago, yuna628 said:

Personally, from the research I've done I would not recommend microfiber cloth. You need at least three layers. The outside must be something that is a good quality tightly woven 100% cotton. A good quality bandanna, flour sack tea towel, or good quality pillow case or cloth. Even at the tightest woven this will not stop the bug from getting through, so you need a good breathable yet impenetrable filter along with the fabric being good tight fit. The best types are going to be something removable if you want it to be washed effectively. So filters that can work are HEPA vacuum bags, non-woven fabrics like meltblown or polypropylene, interfacing, or perhaps the highest quality that can be found on the market - OLY FUN fabric or FILTI filter fabric. Interfacing doesn't have to be disposable and can be washable, so can oly fun to some degree before it degrades. One entire HEPA bag can be made into four masks, but will be disposable. Microfibers, silks, and mixed fabrics that are stretchy blends with polyester are not going to provide adequate protection. I have trouble with them saying ''oh use a scarf' or any old thing. If we want our healthcare workers to be protected, we should want that protection too. Better something than nothing? Perhaps, but some terrible designs I've seen it's also like walking around like nothing at all. Kind of like driving around ignoring that check engine light and convincing oneself it's going to be okay.

Basic homemade masks are better at protecting others, than yourself. By keeping some of my cooties in my mask, others have less chances to catch them. At least, it's what I understand. 

 

[Nitas_man 3,100]

2 hours ago, yuna628 said:

Personally, from the research I've done I would not recommend microfiber cloth. You need at least three layers. The outside must be something that is a good quality tightly woven 100% cotton. A good quality bandanna, flour sack tea towel, or good quality pillow case or cloth. Even at the tightest woven this will not stop the bug from getting through, so you need a good breathable yet impenetrable filter along with the fabric being good tight fit. The best types are going to be something removable if you want it to be washed effectively. So filters that can work are HEPA vacuum bags, non-woven fabrics like meltblown or polypropylene, interfacing, or perhaps the highest quality that can be found on the market - OLY FUN fabric or FILTI filter fabric. Interfacing doesn't have to be disposable and can be washable, so can oly fun to some degree before it degrades. One entire HEPA bag can be made into four masks, but will be disposable. Microfibers, silks, and mixed fabrics that are stretchy blends with polyester are not going to provide adequate protection. I have trouble with them saying ''oh use a scarf' or any old thing. If we want our healthcare workers to be protected, we should want that protection too. Better something than nothing? Perhaps, but some terrible designs I've seen it's also like walking around like nothing at all. Kind of like driving around ignoring that check engine light and convincing oneself it's going to be okay.

 

hmm I’m in the air on vacuum bags, some of those vacuum HEPA bags are made from fiberglass and it’s not really good to breath that.

 

So that leaves what’s laying around to use. 

Cotton/polyester exterior, inner pocket, 3 layers microfiber.

 

“Prototype A” is actually coming out nicely.  Good seal, no slip, nice and tight

 

 

 

 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

5 hours ago, Nitas_man said:

 

hmm I’m in the air on vacuum bags, some of those vacuum HEPA bags are made from fiberglass and it’s not really good to breath that.

 

So that leaves what’s laying around to use. 

Cotton/polyester exterior, inner pocket, 3 layers microfiber.

 

“Prototype A” is actually coming out nicely.  Good seal, no slip, nice and tight

 

 

 

 

And does NOTHING, unless you're sick and capable of infecting others.