The mayor of coronavirus-plagued New Orleans took a shot at Trump, saying the city would have canceled Mardi Gras if the federal government had taken the outbreak seriously

[Dashinka 24,493]

24 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

       I'm pretty sure the WHO collects aggregate data and verifies with their own teams. It's worth reading the WHO's joint report on China. It's a PDF download. Outlines what they did, when they were on the ground in China and what the knowledge gaps are. 

 

    https://www.who.int/publications-detail/report-of-the-who-china-joint-mission-on-coronavirus-disease-2019-(covid-19)

 

      There's some interesting information in there that I haven't really come across anywhere else. I can see why the WHO was a step ahead of the CDC on this.

 

      

I guess I remember the WHO coming out in January claiming this did not transmit person-to-person based on exports from China.  They seemed to have missed that one.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

5 minutes ago, Dashinka said:

I guess I remember the WHO coming out in January claiming this did not transmit person-to-person based on exports from China.  They seemed to have missed that one.

 

   As the report says, initial cases were not easily transmitted except to close contacts. They believe a viral mutation occurred at some point in Wuhan that allowed transmission between humans to occur more easily. Good news if that is true, because it means there is not a strain lurking in the animal host that is going to spread as easily again.

Edited April 1, 2020 by Steeleballz

[Dashinka 24,493]

This seems contradictory.  The WHO report is from February and the news story is from today.

 

The epidemic curves presented in Figures 2 and 3 are generated using China’s National Infectious Disease Information System (IDIS), which requires each COVID-19 case to be reported electronically by the responsible doctor as soon as a case has been diagnosed. It includes cases that are reported as asymptomatic and data are updated in real time. Individual case reporting forms are downloaded after 2400hr daily. Epidemiologic curves for Wuhan, Hubei (outside of Wuhan), China (outside Hubei) and China by symptom onset are provided in Figure 2.

 

https://www.who.int/publications-detail/report-of-the-who-china-joint-mission-on-coronavirus-disease-2019-(covid-19)
 

China starts to report asymptomatic coronavirus cases
 

https://news.yahoo.com/china-starts-report-asymptomatic-coronavirus-044048132.html

 

[Dashinka 24,493]

4 minutes ago, Steeleballz said:

 

   As the report says, initial cases were not easily transmitted except to close contacts. They believe a viral mutation occurred at some point in Wuhan that allowed transmission between humans to occur more easily. Good news if that is true, because it means there is not a strain lurking in the animal host that is going to spread as easily again.

I agree with that, my only point is that there were mistakes everywhere by these government agencies, and yes, I consider the UN a government bureaucracy.

[Nitas_man 3,100]

Biggest mistake coming out of this is face masks.  Anyone who has an Asian spouse knows for certain part of their response is cover everyone sick or not.  Just NOW the CDC is admitting that?  Singapore, Taiwan, Japan, everyone covers their face during an outbreak like this.  Our stupid “experts” claim it makes it worse?  Not for SARS, not for MERS - we knew that was wrong from the start.

Who scrambles for masks for first responders then tells the public masks make the spread worse?

Even worse? Who falls for that illogical message?

Edited April 1, 2020 by Nitas_man

[Steeleballz 7,550]

2 hours ago, Nitas_man said:

Biggest mistake coming out of this is face masks.  Anyone who has an Asian spouse knows for certain part of their response is cover everyone sick or not.  Just NOW the CDC is admitting that?  Singapore, Taiwan, Japan, everyone covers their face during an outbreak like this.  Our stupid “experts” claim it makes it worse?  Not for SARS, not for MERS - we knew that was wrong from the start.

Who scrambles for masks for first responders then tells the public masks make the spread worse?

Even worse? Who falls for that illogical message?

  I didn’t really see anyone claim masks make it worse. They usually said they are of minimal benefit.

 

   Even if they help a little though, they would have helped flatten the curve sooner. The bigger problem is we don’t usually wear masks here for flu season, so most people didn’t have them and there was no way to get any.

 

   

 

  

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

5 hours ago, Nitas_man said:

Biggest mistake coming out of this is face masks.  Anyone who has an Asian spouse knows for certain part of their response is cover everyone sick or not.  Just NOW the CDC is admitting that?  Singapore, Taiwan, Japan, everyone covers their face during an outbreak like this.  Our stupid “experts” claim it makes it worse?  Not for SARS, not for MERS - we knew that was wrong from the start.

Who scrambles for masks for first responders then tells the public masks make the spread worse?

Even worse? Who falls for that illogical message?

Who falls for it? The mentally and morally weak.

 

Who employs those messages? The increasingly ill-willed that want to see the US suffer and implode. Toxic people that have come more to the surface over the big bad orange man's election and exposed their ill will.

[Nitas_man 3,100]

3 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

  I didn’t really see anyone claim masks make it worse. They usually said they are of minimal benefit.

 

   Even if they help a little though, they would have helped flatten the curve sooner. The bigger problem is we don’t usually wear masks here for flu season, so most people didn’t have them and there was no way to get any.

 

   

 

  

Oh really??????

 

Let me help.  We aren’t going to be re-writing this particular history.

 

Just out today.  The CDC’s been saying it all along.

 

 

[Nitas_man 3,100]

4 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

  I didn’t really see anyone claim masks make it worse. They usually said they are of minimal benefit.

 

   Even if they help a little though, they would have helped flatten the curve sooner. The bigger problem is we don’t usually wear masks here for flu season, so most people didn’t have them and there was no way to get any.

 

   

 

  

Oh and an update:  COV IS NOT FLU

 

I was in Saudi during the MERS outbreak.  They also had a lot more cases than they reported.

 

March 2, 2020 official position:

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.marketwatch.com/amp/story/guid/33D24F26-439B-11EA-A5F1-DB44B8198A98

Edited April 1, 2020 by Nitas_man

[Nature Boy 2.0 8,370]

1 minute ago, Nitas_man said:

Oh and an update:  COV IS NOT FLU

 

I was in Saudi during the MERS outbreak.  They also had a lot more cases than they reported.

I still have a couple of people at work saying its no worse than the flu, and this is all media hysteria. 

 

Had to choke back the urge to slap.

 

Now what is going to be interesting. is if our owners try to stay open during the shelter in place order 

[Steeleballz 7,550]

25 minutes ago, Nitas_man said:

Oh really??????

 

Let me help.  We aren’t going to be re-writing this particular history.

 

Just out today.  The CDC’s been saying it all along.

 

 

   You claimed they said masks “make it worse”. Nothing you have posted here supports that claim. You were incorrect.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

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Health Experts Are Telling Healthy People Not to Wear Face Masks for Coronavirus. So Why Are So Many Doing It?

 

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“Seriously people- STOP BUYING MASKS!” tweeted Dr. Jerome Adams, the U.S. Surgeon General, on Feb. 29. “They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!” In an interview with Fox & Friends, Adams said that wearing a mask can even increase your risk of getting the virus. “Folks who don’t know how to wear them properly tend to touch their faces a lot and actually can increase the spread of coronavirus.”

 

https://time.com/5794729/coronavirus-face-masks/

 

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As 3M, a major manufacturer of masks and respirators, explains, medical respirators do both: they protect the wearer from getting sick and protect the patient from the wearer’s germs. That’s where the confusion in terms—using “mask” and “respirator” interchangeably—often comes from. From here on in this article, assume “mask” refers to a respirator.

These medical respirators/masks must have an efficiency rating of “N95,” “FFP2,” or a similar rating that refers to how many particles—and of what size—can’t get through. The CDC has a webpage listing all the approved respirators for personal protection.

 

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Not using—or disposing of—a respirator mask correctly can increase infection risk because it is literally trapping all the stuff in the air you’re trying to avoid, and many people end up touching their face absent-mindedly.

“Wearing a mask is tricky because it can create a false sense of security,” Dr. Perencevich said. “If you don’t wash your hands before you take off the mask and after you take off your mask, you could increase your risk.”

Even if you believe you will be careful enough to wear, use, and dispose of the mask properly, buying these masks in the midst of existing shortages makes it harder for hospitals and healthcare workers who actually need them to get them. 

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tarahaelle/2020/02/29/no-you-do-not-need-face-masks-for-coronavirus-they-might-increase-your-infection-risk/#6f1430e9676c

 

Brb, going out to get my "wearing a mask" certification.. will also add "Certified to wear a mask" to my resume.

[Burnt Reynolds 5,058]

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Another potential downside? "If you see everyone around you wearing a mask, that also can be fairly alarming," Tam notes.

MacIntyre agrees there's no need to run out and buy face masks if you're in a low-risk country like the U.S. But she says the calculation may be different for people in a place like Wuhan, China, the epicenter of the coronavirus outbreak.

"If it's someone in Wuhan, where most of the cases have been, then there might be some value to it," MacIntyre says. "There's a lot of unknowns about this infection. That's the problem."

Observational studies found that wearing a surgical mask did provide health care workers some protection during the SARS epidemic. But MacIntyre notes that those studies were not randomized controlled trials, considered the gold standard in research. Tam adds that the health care workers who were responding to SARS were also using other protective measures.

And regardless of where you are, there is something that all the infectious disease experts I spoke with recommended everyone do to keep from getting sick: Wash your hands — frequently.

"Hand-washing for sure," Schaffner says. "Constantly. Frequently. All the time — summer, winter, whatever."

And get your flu shot. It is flu season, after all. It doesn't offer protection against the coronavirus, but here in the U.S., Sexton says, the flu remains the bigger risk to health.

 

 

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/01/29/800531753/face-masks-what-doctors-say-about-their-role-in-containing-coronavirus

 

Apparently viruses work differently in Wuhan than in the US. Amazing, isn't it?

 

PS get flu shot, it's worse.

[TBoneTX 45,283]

I seem to recall hearing somewhere that, whereas wearing masks doesn't hurt, doing so doesn't protect you from catching the virus as much as it protects other people from catching it from you.

[90DayFinancier 910]

3 minutes ago, TBoneTX said:

I seem to recall hearing somewhere that, whereas wearing masks doesn't hurt, doing so doesn't protect you from catching the virus as much as it protects other people from catching it from you.

This is correct.