Italy Totally Fine Thanks To Universal Healthcare

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ITALY—A new report has found that Italy is doing completely fine with no problems whatsoever thanks to its lauded universal healthcare system.

 

As the coronavirus pandemic continues to sweep the world, countries are going on lockdown, but not Italy. Its universal healthcare program means that everybody is doing great, "incredible even."

"It seems that having universal healthcare stops all health problems and magically makes enough medicine and care available for all," said one analyst. "It's remarkable -- in countries where there is no universal healthcare, everybody is dying. In countries where there is universal healthcare, the virus just stops right at the border. It's not allowed in. That's just science."

more at https://babylonbee.com/news/italy-totally-fine-thanks-to-universal-healthcare

[Steeleballz 7,550]

 

  Wow. These guys really want to call themselves Christian satire?  Comes off more like immature jackass satire.

[abum 324]

4 hours ago, Steeleballz said:

 

  Wow. These guys really want to call themselves Christian satire?  Comes off more like immature jackass satire.

someone failed at understanding the meaning of SATIRE.  Probably they can do the same post about the USA, you know with the best healthcare that not many citizen could afford. Obviously it would work like miracle.

[Steeleballz 7,550]

Just now, abum said:

someone failed at understanding the meaning of SATIRE.  Probably they can do the same post about the USA, you know with the best healthcare that not many citizen could afford. Obviously it would work like miracle.

 

  We could easily end up in a similar situation to Italy. The biggest difference for patients here is the bill.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 minute ago, abum said:

someone failed at understanding the meaning of SATIRE.  Probably they can do the same post about the USA, you know with the best healthcare that not many citizen could afford. Obviously it would work like miracle.

When you say this, are you referring to the 8.2% of uninsured Americans?  I mean, if 91.2% have insurance in America, isn't that actually pretty good?

[abum 324]

1 minute ago, Voice of Reason said:

When you say this, are you referring to the 8.2% of uninsured Americans?  I mean, if 91.2% have insurance in America, isn't that actually pretty good?

do tell me how much out of pocket can you afford even with insurance. 

 

And the same would happen with USA, if only these "satirist" understood what it mean by universal healthcare vs capacity to take up sudden influx of patients needing intensive care at any specific area.

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

1 minute ago, abum said:

do tell me how much out of pocket can you afford even with insurance. 

 

And the same would happen with USA, if only these "satirist" understood what it mean by universal healthcare vs capacity to take up sudden influx of patients needing intensive care at any specific area.

I haven't had any out of pocket expenses that I couldn't pay on the spot since 1984, when I had the foresight to pre-pay for the delivery of my first child.  And that I did because I didn't have insurance, and didn't want a bill from the hospital.  

[Orangesapples 1,954]

1 hour ago, Voice of Reason said:

When you say this, are you referring to the 8.2% of uninsured Americans?  I mean, if 91.2% have insurance in America, isn't that actually pretty good?

Nope, it's pretty bad, a disaster actually. 

 

Also, having insurance doesn't mean much if your deductible is pretty high and then when you get seriously ill, insurance companies are always trying to find ways to pay as little as possible. 

 

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/cancer-forces-42-of-patients-to-exhaust-life-savings-in-2-years-study-finds.html

 

42% of cancer patients exhaust their lifetime savings within 2 years. 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/11/24/cancer-puts-many-patients-into-bankruptcy-advisors-are-trying-to-help.html

 

And that's including people with insurance. Not to mention that you might lose your insurance in the blink of an eye if you get laid off and then you can't afford your COBRA premiums. 

 

Also, no one in Italy has ended up with nearly $35,000 debt from the treatment of their Covid 

 

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/488678-us-woman-gets-3492743-bill-for-coronavirus-treatment

 

Also 

 

The story of her bill comes as the Kaiser Family Foundation has released a study predicting the average cost of coronavirus treatment for someone with insurance and without health complications would total around $9,763, and treatment for someone with complications could top $20,000. The amount someone with insurance would pay out-of-pocket varies depending on their plan, but the study estimates it could exceed $1,300. 

 

So my deductible is $3500, my max out of pocket is I think $5000, same for my husband, so if we both ended up needing treatment, that would cost us $10,000. And I'm sure the insurance will try and find ways to not pay for certain procedures and to make the doctors' lives as annoying and paperwork heavy as possible. 

Edited March 27, 2020 by Orangesapples

[abum 324]

15 hours ago, Orangesapples said:

Nope, it's pretty bad, a disaster actually. 

 

Also, having insurance doesn't mean much if your deductible is pretty high and then when you get seriously ill, insurance companies are always trying to find ways to pay as little as possible. 

 

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/finance/cancer-forces-42-of-patients-to-exhaust-life-savings-in-2-years-study-finds.html

 

42% of cancer patients exhaust their lifetime savings within 2 years. 

 

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/11/24/cancer-puts-many-patients-into-bankruptcy-advisors-are-trying-to-help.html

 

And that's including people with insurance. Not to mention that you might lose your insurance in the blink of an eye if you get laid off and then you can't afford your COBRA premiums. 

 

Also, no one in Italy has ended up with nearly $35,000 debt from the treatment of their Covid 

 

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/488678-us-woman-gets-3492743-bill-for-coronavirus-treatment

 

Also 

 

The story of her bill comes as the Kaiser Family Foundation has released a study predicting the average cost of coronavirus treatment for someone with insurance and without health complications would total around $9,763, and treatment for someone with complications could top $20,000. The amount someone with insurance would pay out-of-pocket varies depending on their plan, but the study estimates it could exceed $1,300. 

 

So my deductible is $3500, my max out of pocket is I think $5000, same for my husband, so if we both ended up needing treatment, that would cost us $10,000. And I'm sure the insurance will try and find ways to not pay for certain procedures and to make the doctors' lives as annoying and paperwork heavy as possible. 

 

Ditto. this is the bits that people tend to overlook when comparing Universal healthcare vs what we have in the USA right now. 

People who are lucky they they are not born in poverty would definitely not experience having to fork out a lot of money and go into debt by going to the hospital once, just once. And when your credit history is ruined, you will know it would affect a lot of other stuff (say renting a new place, and some even getting a job).

Make fun all you want with the universal healthcare but until you are in the position where you have no healthcare coverage  for any of your family members, and one of them needing urgent care, and your only option is to beg (GoFundMe whatever you wanna call it), then you would know what really poor fellow americans in the country is facing daily. 

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20 minutes ago, abum said:

 

Ditto. this is the bits that people tend to overlook when comparing Universal healthcare vs what we have in the USA right now. 

People who are lucky they they are not born in poverty would definitely not experience having to fork out a lot of money and go into debt by going to the hospital once, just once. And when your credit history is ruined, you will know it would affect a lot of other stuff (say renting a new place, and some even getting a job).

Make fun all you want with the universal healthcare but until you are in the position where you have no healthcare coverage  for any of your family members, and one of them needing urgent care, and your only option is to beg (GoFundMe whatever you wanna call it), then you would know what really poor fellow americans in the country is facing daily. 

Yep, and it looks like Covid 19 is going to be an even bigger disaster in the US than Italy and people are going to go bankrupt from medical bills on top of all the other problems we are facing now. 

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2 minutes ago, Orangesapples said:

Yep, and it looks like Covid 19 is going to be an even bigger disaster in the US than Italy and people are going to go bankrupt from medical bills on top of all the other problems we are facing now. 

Pure poppycock.  

The economic disaster we are about to face, and the bankruptcies that we face, are all due to social media and the news.  Has nothing to do with the virus itself.

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2 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Pure poppycock.  

The economic disaster we are about to face, and the bankruptcies that we face, are all due to social media and the news.  Has nothing to do with the virus itself.

Interesting. 

[Voice of Reason 10,298]

Just now, Lemonslice said:

Interesting. 

Ok, it began with the virus.  But what I mean is that the economy is going to blow up in our face, and it will be far worse than the deaths from this disease.  A few more people will die, sure, and those who lose their loved ones will mourn.  But that's just life.  The number of lives ruined because of the fear, I think that will be a larger as well as longer-lasting toll on us all.

[Orangesapples 1,954]

10 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Pure poppycock.  

The economic disaster we are about to face, and the bankruptcies that we face, are all due to social media and the news.  Has nothing to do with the virus itself.

The medical bankruptcies will have a lot to do with the virus... 

[Orangesapples 1,954]

10 minutes ago, Voice of Reason said:

Ok, it began with the virus.  But what I mean is that the economy is going to blow up in our face, and it will be far worse than the deaths from this disease.  A few more people will die, sure, and those who lose their loved ones will mourn.  But that's just life.  The number of lives ruined because of the fear, I think that will be a larger as well as longer-lasting toll on us all.

Yeah, a few people are gonna die, no big deal, let's just let their bodies accumulate and the hospitals get overwhelmed, a few healthcare professionals will die, no big deal!